Want to put a cage in my car. Options

[SwissFerdi]

it's not really going all out if you just leave the 7afe in there, even if you turbo it.

Yeah see, but strip it as planned...ditch the cage idea, to save weight...and turbo. Your power-to-weight ratio will be miles better than factory.

Stock ST: 23.8 pounds per horsepower (figuring 2500 fully loaded pounds in my case).

7A-FTE: Let's say 180bhp, 153whp, and let us put the car at 2300 lbs, fully loaded again. 12.77, meaning with a bit o' forced induction and some aural discomfort, you'll literally have twice the Cerica.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Nov 20, 2011 - 10:50 AM

[EastSideGuns]

I respect your reasoning for the cage. It's your car, you are aware of the work involved, and the fact that in the long run, it won't be as useful as a cage in Ken Block's car. What I don't understand is that you want to build a BA car, yet leave the 7A, and 120 hp is perfectly fine? Each of those things is contradictory. But again, I fully respect your reasoning. It's your car and we as a group would much rather see it with a cage than another Invader body kit. I say if you want a cage, build yourself a cage and the motor to back it up.

See, I wasn't aware the 7A-FE wouldn't produce a lot of horsepower. I was going to leave it for its light weight, but I thought with the right parts, engine balancing, etc that it would gain more than just 10 hp from stock. I'm sure you could get quite a bit of hp out of it...it would just take a lot of money I'm sure.

I'll have to think that through a little more. Is the 3S-GTE the absolute best option otherwise?

it's not really going all out if you just leave the 7afe in there, even if you turbo it.

Yeah see, but strip it as planned...ditch the cage idea, to save weight...and turbo. Your power-to-weight ratio will be miles better than factory.

Stock ST: 23.8 pounds per horsepower (figuring 2500 fully loaded pounds in my case).

7A-FTE: Let's say 180bhp, 153whp, and let us put the car at 2300 lbs, fully loaded again. 12.77, meaning with a bit o' forced induction and some aural discomfort, you'll literally have twice the Cerica.

Also, if you balance it out well (battery relocation, maybe placement of a/the fuel cell), it will handle better still.

[EastSideGuns]

Guys, I'm 18 years old. However I've had a lot of experience with machinery. My job for three years (on and off) has been repair and maintenance on medical air systems. Vacuum pumps and air compressors. I can run multiple hand and power tools, pneumatics, lathes, and I've had some experience on milling machines.

My father used to work for a guy who raced sprint cars in the 80's and 90's. From the things that he's told me, I have a basic knowledge of frame and cage building, as well as race car setup.

While that may seem somewhat irrelevant, what I mean by this passage is that I'm a project kind of guy. I'm a person who will accept any challenge. I want my Celica to be my project.

[Neon90424]

I'll have to think that through a little more. Is the 3S-GTE the absolute best option otherwise?

3SGTE swap = Celica Missile

[EastSideGuns]

How much horsepower can one obtain?

[stephen_lee]

3sgte + celica = unlimited HP.

u mad?

[EastSideGuns]

Ha, no, why would I be mad?

[cheela]

trust us. 7afe turboed will give 180 HP at most

3sgte is already more than that stock and can double/triple/quadruple

if not, go read up on the stickies in the engine forum, there's a few other options to swap out for the 7afe such as 4age, 4agze, or 7agte. Read read read

[SupraKid]

I just want to make a badass car. I have quite awhile to think about it until I get another car.

7afe and badass car don't go hand in hand... You want to make your car look really fast without actually being anywhere close to it, your like most other 18 year olds...I did it

This post has been edited by SupraKid: Nov 22, 2011 - 12:15 AM

[SwissFerdi]

To me, a 7A-FTE build seems to be worth it only if parts happen to come cheap, yet sturdy, and the builder makes sure, properly makes sure, that the engine is prepared to handle a few pounds of boost. That's a tough combination, but I see where you're coming from. The setup greatly intrigues me as well.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Nov 22, 2011 - 12:35 AM

[EastSideGuns]

trust us. 7afe turboed will give 180 HP at most

3sgte is already more than that stock and can double/triple/quadruple

if not, go read up on the stickies in the engine forum, there's a few other options to swap out for the 7afe such as 4age, 4agze, or 7agte. Read read read

Will do.

Not gonna pour money into my car until I figure out what is best and most efficient. I'm not talking fuel efficiency......but power to weight and COG.

[EastSideGuns]

I just want to make a badass car. I have quite awhile to think about it until I get another car.

7afe and badass car don't go hand in hand... You want to make your car look really fast without actually being anywhere close to it, your like most other 18 year olds...I did it

Yeah I try not to be like all those other kids...making cardboard body kits and getting plastic WalMart spinner hubcaps for their '89 Civic that's been in an accident or two. Unattractive cars FTL...

But I didn't know the 7A-FE wasn't the best option for badassness.

[Neon90424]

3sgte swap at stock in the least gives you at least 230-250 horsepower...at the least!, turn it to 17 pounds like dustin (batman722 i believe check his thread) and you got easily around 330hp... STOCK!

[czwalga]

3sgte swap at stock in the least gives you at least 230-250 horsepower...at the least!, turn it to 17 pounds like dustin (batman722 i believe check his thread) and you got easily around 330hp... STOCK!

17lbs with a 3sgte in a ST celica is pretty damn far from stock.

[stephen_lee]

3sgte swap at stock in the least gives you at least 230-250 horsepower...at the least!, turn it to 17 pounds like dustin (batman722 i believe check his thread) and you got easily around 330hp...with STOCK 3sgte parts!

17lbs with a 3sgte in a ST celica is pretty damn far from stock.

fixed

This post has been edited by stephen_lee: Nov 22, 2011 - 9:09 AM

[playr158]

Im going to go with the basic rule.....if you have a cage in your car you need to be wearing a helmet. If not and you wreck youre likely to split your head open on a bar.


Do some research read the stickies....you has much to learn.

[lagos]

Guys, I'm 18 years old.

So now get to work and we expect to see some progress pictures starting this weekend.

[EastSideGuns]

Guys, I'm 18 years old.

So now get to work and we expect to see some progress pictures starting this weekend.

I'll be starting when I get another car as a daily driver next year. Stated in the first post.

[richee3]

See, I wasn't aware the 7A-FE wouldn't produce a lot of horsepower.

See, that's an important bit of information that was missing from this thread earlier. A cage in a 3S-GTE powered Celica starts to make a lot more sense than a cage in a 7A powered Celica. But as I said before, regardless of what engine you have in the car, I respect your reason for wanting a cage. It's your car, do what you want with it. Do what makes you happy, not what's going to make some guys on the internet that will never even see your car happy.

[EastSideGuns]

See, I wasn't aware the 7A-FE wouldn't produce a lot of horsepower.

See, that's an important bit of information that was missing from this thread earlier. A cage in a 3S-GTE powered Celica starts to make a lot more sense than a cage in a 7A powered Celica. But as I said before, regardless of what engine you have in the car, I respect your reason for wanting a cage. It's your car, do what you want with it. Do what makes you happy, not what's going to make some guys on the internet that will never even see your car happy.

I probably will switch to the BEAMS then. Makes more sence. Are they pretty easy to find?