Brake upgrade options? Options

[revelsumgt]

Hi guys, I own a 7AFE 1996 1.8 ST

My rear hand brake is too high and my rear brakes are starting to give me crap.. it looks rusty and old..

Time for a re-build!

So my question, what rear brakes are available for me? I'm after more upgrade then stock...

Size? Just any info so I don't get the wrong stuff

Thanks

[SwissFerdi]

Go to Tire Rack's site and enter your vehicle information, which will give you the exacting hardware that fits. From there, you will have a basis for part numbers.

I recommend blank Brembo rotors on all four corners if you can afford it, but if not, just do the rear. This will involve a bit of finagling but will be a great upgrade and will rid you of the cursed drum brake. To go with those fancy new rotors, I would recommend Hawk HPS pads, although a stock-like replacement is certainly also possible.

http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance/hps.php

[cheela]

yeah get rid of the drums and switch to rotors.
I had to change mine twice and every time it's been a pain so next time i need to change them, I'm trashing the drums and upgrading to rotors.

[Tigawoods]

i second brembo blanks. but i am for EBC pads

[revelsumgt]

Thanks for all your replys

I am 100% switching to rotors. I am just concentrating on the rears for now as money is tight this month.

I have had a look at that website and it only brings up brake parts for the front.

I know this is a big ask, but can someone please send me the exact links for parts they recommend for my car.

Thanks

[SwissFerdi]

I have had a look at that website and it only brings up brake parts for the front.

That is because the site won't show parts that the car was never equipped with, so search for GT stuff. My recommendation is to find a GT in a junkyard and take the calipers, e-brake lines, and proportioning valve. Combined with new rotors and pads, this should set you up with everything needed for the swap. I wish I could tell you with certainty as I have the parts, but the opportunity to install has not come around for me yet, so you may beat me to the conversion!

If you can find a GT with acceptable rear rotors, you can use those as well, just make sure they are not warped. This should help your budget a lot as you won't have to spend $100 for the new Brembo units. Although a nice upgrade, the rear brake system only handles about 20% of the braking responsibility anyway. Therefore, you can have some older rotors resurfaced, and then get spiffy new Brembo blanks for the front, where they'll be most useful, when your budget allows.

Part number for the rear pads, Hawk HPS: HB401F.587

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Mar 14, 2012 - 9:23 AM

[v1becelica]

probably a dumb question. if you switch from drums to rotors in the rear... will the ebrake shoes still fit and work with the rotor?

[mkernz22]

probably a dumb question. if you switch from drums to rotors in the rear... will the ebrake shoes still fit and work with the rotor?

I don't believe so. & You shouldn't reuse old pads when upgrading to a different setup

[v1becelica]

probably a dumb question. if you switch from drums to rotors in the rear... will the ebrake shoes still fit and work with the rotor?

I don't believe so. & You shouldn't reuse old pads when upgrading to a different setup

good to know... so im assuming there would be no use for the ebrake anymore. just leave the car in gear when parking.... that's what im doing atm anyways.

[revelsumgt]

Hang on, so i will not be able to use my hand brake anymore?

When you talk about a GT set up, my rear has calipers on already, mine are disc drums if that makes sense?

But if i can't use my handbrake, i'm sticking with disc drums and upgrading to drilled etc..

[RabidTRD]

Hang on, so i will not be able to use my hand brake anymore?

When you talk about a GT set up, my rear has calipers on already, mine are disc drums if that makes sense?

But if i can't use my handbrake, i'm sticking with disc drums and upgrading to drilled etc..

You can use your hand brake. You just need to switch to the PARKING BRAKE SHOES and hardware kit. The drum brake shoes won't fit inside of the rotor-drum.

[Galcobar]

Toyota uses a drum-in-disc setup to provide an emergency brake system on vehicles with rear disc brakes.

The emergency brake assembly is entirely different from the drum brake assembly.

To do the swap and keep a working emergency brake, you need:
1) disc brake backing plates (this is where the caliper bracket and e-brake both attach, very important)
2) e-brake assemblies (springs, shoes, etc attached to backing plate)
3) e-brake cables for the disc brake system (you can use the cable from the drum brake system, but you'll have to reshape the cast metal piece on the end to match it to the new backing plate)
4) rear calipers
5) rear caliper brackets
6) rear rotors with built-in drum (calipers, brackets and rotors need to match years)
7) soft brake hose for disc brakes (drum hose is too short)

The easiest way to do this is to pull the items off a donor car. There are two basic ways to put the backing plate et al on your car. You can remove the entire rear knuckle from the strut and replace it with the rear knuckle from a donor car. Or you can unbolt the rear hub from the knuckle, allowing you to replace the backing plate alone. If you remove the hub, which is my recommended step, you will need to purchase replacement O-rings for when you re-install the hub.

The fifth-gen brake systems (but generally not individual parts) are interchangeable with the sixth-gen, except in one respect: the centrebore. Fifth-gen hubs are about 1 mm smaller in diametre than the sixth-gen hubs, so fifth-gen rotors cannot be mounted on sixth-gen hubs. However, fifth-gen hubs mount just fine onto sixth-gen knuckles, and will have no issues mating to the stock wheels.

For 5SFE-powered Celicas:
Front rotors
90-91 255 mm diametre, 22 mm thick, 54 mm centrebore
92-93 277 mm, 25 mm, 54 mm
94-99 275 mm, 28 mm, 55 mm

Rear rotors
90-93 269 mm, 10 mm, 54 mm
94-95 269 mm, 10 mm, 55 mm
95-99 269 mm, 9 mm, 55 mm

This post has been edited by Galcobar: Mar 14, 2012 - 10:55 PM

[SwissFerdi]

^ That's proper information right there. Thank you.