Possible Front LSD Group Buy: Details inside!!!!!&, Just getting the word out to any 185/205 owners.. Options

[3WayStunna]

Alright ill get right down the nitty gritty. Over on alltrac.net it seems Alot of folks have been trying to organize a group buy for a front LSD for both the 185/205. Tried going with M-factory here in america, but they turned us down due to the cost of manufacturing said lsd. So through a random turn of events quiafe has decided to handle the task but ask for an initial 30 buyers.

Here is a quick rundown of the details....


Link to the thread
http://www.alltrac.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.ph...9&start=255

Main discussion starts on page 18 with ALLENSTRAC heading this GB up...
Also the list now sits at 22 possible buyers including myself and we are awaiting the factory diff to arrive at quiafe so they can begin measurements!!

OK so I had a pretty awesome random lunch break today. I went to my buddies performance shop to check on some stuff I'm having powdercoated and I find that he is on the phone with Motovicity. He asks me if there is anything wierd I need for my car that I can't find. Of course after noticing that he's talking to them I tell him to ask Quaife about a front LSD. Turns out that Scott Cole the US rep for Quaife happens to be standing right there at Moto and he gets on the phone. He said that we can send them the diff and have measurements taken. I told him that M-factory had told us no but we were hoping a larger company could make this happen. He told us that after the specs were taken that we would need 30 people minimum to have this made. He also said that they are having a shipment going back to Quaife within a week or two. Scott made it sound as though this would be easy for them to make. He said pricing would more than likely not pass 950.00. Now I know that Tempracerguy said he would send his diff out for them to inspect but if not I can tear my trans apart again and send them mine. I will PM him and ask. I plan to spearhead this group buy for everyone on the forum but I want to make sure that is cool with the community. I'd like to get an adjusted list going for a new group buy that way we know that we have 30 interested buyers. Here's all the info


Quaife front LSD (either Helical or Clutch type/ have not got this info yet until we get consensus from Quaife)
Price: 950.00 estimated max
Amount of buyers with payment made to Advanced Race Technologies: 30
E.T.A: They said that after they had the factory diff in hand it would be two weeks tops for R and D. So figure this will take a couple months between shipping to them,R and D, Production and shipping the final product to ART.
Payment: I am pretty sure that the payment process will be handled by my friends shop: ART. Obviously this is a ways off but wanted everyone to know whats going to happen.

Now as I get more info on this I will update this thread or I can start a new one if the Moderators prefer. Also if you wish to speak with me personally or my buddy Derrick PM me and I will give you my phone number. I am sorry if this sounded pretty run-on but it got me very excited to have spoke with someone from Quaife personally hear this is perfectly do-able.

I know this may sound like a long shot but this type of group buy is long overdue. For those that even think they want to be apart of this please voice up and get added to the list. Im sure there are many nay-sayers who think this will not work..er-hem: nobody wants/needs a front lsd (because the stock open one is sooo much better)....but things like this wont ever happen if people think like that...besides we just need 30 buyers and it doesnt hurt to put your name on there...

Also if anyone wants i can be the POC for this GB if nobody wants to register on the site. Wont be handling money, but more or less the flow of information...Just start a list if you are interested and also if the mods deem this to be in the wrong place, or just irresponsible then i apologize in advance and feel free to move or stop this if you think the best interest of the members of this site arent in mind..

This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Mar 25, 2012 - 2:51 PM

[Smaay]

this is great but its only for E153 trans. Plus with the different types of axles out there. what axle are they going to make it for. I dont think the 185 and 205 share the same axle that goes in the diff. i know for sure that the 205 is not a 6 bolt CV like the 185 and MR2 turbo

[3WayStunna]

The diff that was sent to the factory was out of a 205 gearbox, E154?
Pics of the diff that was sent...



Also the 185 and 205 share the same identical front diffs..

http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1995_TOYO...BLMVZ_4301.html (205)
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_U_1992_TOYO...LMVZA_4301.html (185)
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1992_TOYO...BLMQZ_4301.html (185rc)

Some more details of the 165/185/205 diffs..

http://gtfour.supras.org.nz/gearboxpics.htm
http://gtfour.supras.org.nz/differential.htm

In terms of the axles themselves, i see no reason why they should be different...but ill dig up some info to give better clarification...too tired right now...
If you need any more information ill be more than glad to post it up as well!!

[Smaay]

this is all good info. im just speculating because i know the MR2 trans 93+ that came with LSD have bigger axles than the earlier trans.

[3WayStunna]

Just out of curiosity, are you under the assumption that this diff will be used for the MR2 and/or st202-st204 transmissions?
If so then this is only for the 185/205 awd versions.

I do not know if this diff would work with them but dosent the 93^ MR2 tranny and 94^ celica tranny share the same gearing/differential?
Im asking because they should both be able to use the same aftermarket LSD's that are out there, correct?



Also to answer your previous concern, the 205/185 do use the same spline count on the transmission side and you can even swap gearboxes btwn the two if you like.
http://www.alltrac.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=43168

This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Mar 26, 2012 - 2:40 PM

[3WayStunna]

Bump...

The likelihood of this diff actually being produced has just skyrocketed. We are now at 31+ buyers and the powers that be (quiafe america) have blessed us with their support. Looks like they want this diff made as much as we do. Just waiting on it to arrive at the factory still. For those still interested please add your name to the list. While it might not seem like much, every single person who shows interest brings this one step closer to being a reality.

Also one technical note. The LSD being produced will be of the torsen type, in case anyone was wondering.

[Culpable04]

correct me if I'm wrong, but the only difference between E153 and E154F Differentials is the splines that stick out of the E154f diff to drive the center diff. and if I'm not mistaking, those are pressed in on top of the LSD. so the unit itself is the same between the 2 trannies.

when I bought my LSD ( used ) from a MR2T it came in a TRD box in which the seller recevied its brand NEW TRD LSD he used to replace the OEM he sold to me.

the box still had instructions and mention something about pressing that extra attachment on some applications.

if this is true, that would mean that quaife wouldn't make a new diff, they would just sell a few of their MR2T LSDs with a new attachement on top for the center diff of the AWD trans.

not hating on this or anything, just trying to get my facts straight as this is how I understand the LSD is put together.

[chacha]

culp

[3WayStunna]

correct me if I'm wrong, but the only difference between E153 and E154F Differentials is the splines that stick out of the E154f diff to drive the center diff. and if I'm not mistaking, those are pressed in on top of the LSD. so the unit itself is the same between the 2 trannies.

when I bought my LSD ( used ) from a MR2T it came in a TRD box in which the seller recevied its brand NEW TRD LSD he used to replace the OEM he sold to me.

the box still had instructions and mention something about pressing that extra attachment on some applications.

if this is true, that would mean that quaife wouldn't make a new diff, they would just sell a few of their MR2T LSDs with a new attachment on top for the center diff of the AWD trans.

not hating on this or anything, just trying to get my facts straight as this is how I understand the LSD is put together.

Culp no worries no hurt feelings here. But there is quite the difference between the MR2 front diff and the 185\205 front - center combo diff. For example..
http://photo.qip.ru/users/matvey1/11538456.../#mainImageLink
In the link is a picture of the 205 TRD lsd diff. Im not to sure on the specifics of the MR2 Diff but i would hope they are set up the same. Anywho im no expert on these types of subjects and would love to make sure i don't appear as if im trying to be one. I will though, add your opinion/thought on the matter to the alltrac board and see what responses quiafe will give us on the matter. But im sure a new unit would have to be made.

When talking with Mfactory (the first company we tried unsuccessfully with) they flat out told us that they couldnt do the job due to cost (involved with making a new unit). So yea.....either way as i sit i would rather have a quiafe unit than a TRD anyday..