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Let me throw something out here, there is more to performance than just horsepower.
With all the recent talk of the 2zz swap got me thinking. From what I have found a 2000+ GTS can do a 0-60 in about 6.6 seconds 2000 mass = 2500 lbs 1994 mass = 2580 lbs If you swap in the 2ZZ your weight should be down closer to 2500 so you should get a 0-60 around 6.6 seconds. Not bad, but consider this: 2AZ-FE, the replacement for the 3S and 5S In the 2002 Camry with a 5 speed, 0-60 is 8.0 seconds, and this car weighs 3147 or so. dropping that engine in a 6gc, your 0-60 should be around: 8.0 / 3147 * 2580 = 6.57 seconds (rough approximation) note that this does not take into accont the reduced weight in engines and better transmission ratios in the 6gc, and this engine is not tuned runing on 87 octane cat-pee. this engine may bolt up to the GT tranny, not sure though... |
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Dec 31, 2003 - 10:53 PM
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how about this one i said this about a year ago and a lot of people laughed at me... and said it was a big waste of time and money and other stuff like that... but what about droping in another engine like a honda, mitus, etc.... yes toyota does make great engines but so do other car companies...
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Dec 31, 2003 - 11:11 PM
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i'd take a 4g63 in my car, wouldnt mind the drivetrain of a gsx either if they can do it in a COLT, we can do it in a celica i suppose an h22a would be ok for a swap into our cars as well -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Jan 1, 2004 - 2:15 PM
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Hell, Yamaha makes our 6th gen engines...so i dont think it would be too bad to throw in another engine if you had the means to do so. But i personally dont think it gets much better than dropping in a 3s-gte and an MR2 turbo tranny....thats just a killer combination with ungodly results, IMO.
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Jan 1, 2004 - 2:23 PM
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Same here...the 3S-GTE is one of the best engines ever. So is that 2AZ-FE supposed to replace all 3S and 5S engines, including the current black top 3S-GE in the Altezza? It doesn't seem like an engine with an economy "F" head would replace engines such as the 3S-GE. -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...
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Jan 1, 2004 - 3:13 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 10, '03 From Netherlands Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I dont know if ur 2000 + GTS is different, but i believe the us version has 180 bhp, and the one we got here in europe has 192 bhp. U said that it runs 0-60 in 6,6 seconds ?? Well the one we got here runs it in 7,4 secs and it has more horsepower, so how could that be ? |
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Jan 1, 2004 - 3:55 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 17, '03 From Ontario, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
The figures vary wildly depending on who did the test.
I just quoted the lowest one from a magazine |
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Jan 1, 2004 - 4:17 PM
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that ratio wouldnt work, weight is a percentage multiplier, not a direct comparison ratio.
it also depends where the weight is located, how and where the weight shifts. as a comparison, the NA MK2 MR2 weighs in the area of 2600-2800LBS. the GT celica, with the same motor only weighs 2500. yet the NA MR2 is faster. its because all the weight is centrally located over the rear axle, making all the weight drive the wheels against the ground. also all the weight is situated low in the car, and it sits lower... high weight = bad, low weight = not as bad. --------------------  Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Jan 2, 2004 - 10:13 AM
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They don't make our engines... they make the head...
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Jan 2, 2004 - 1:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 17, '03 From Ontario, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
what I used is a fairly straightforward approximation, but it does use some assumptions. Start off with old faithful:
F = M x A A = F / M time to velocity: V = A x t t = V / A add the two: t = (V x M) / F where: F = force, M = mass, A = acceleration, t = time, V = Velocity so as you can see from this, time to a velocity is proportional to mass when the force and velocity are the same. velocity is 60mph and does not change... constant force assumption - shifts are neglected and the force is not constant as you reduce the force when you up-shift. but remeber, the celica trans is geared lower than the camry so it should be better and make up for this. traction is assumed the same in both cars, they are both FWD, so with good rubber, the celica should at least match the camry's traction with a good driver. the mr2 is not a fair comp as going from fwd to rwd is a big change, but fwd to fwd is much closer. I do believe you can get under 7 seconds with this swap, and would be as fast or faster than a 2ZZ swap. |
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Jan 2, 2004 - 10:31 PM
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I'm gonna go thank my Physics teacher after X-mas break ...
I'm gonna be like ... "Physics are cool ... yes ... they are cool. Or wait .. they're toite ... toite like a toiger" |
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Jan 2, 2004 - 10:52 PM
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you are very toight... toight like a tiger.... goldmember is the funniest character of all austin powers' -------------------- i am awesome
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