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 Jan 5, 2004 - 7:05 PM
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saw it in person today at the LA auto show.
looked pretty good. only one 7gc there -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Jan 5, 2004 - 7:19 PM
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Well, after the dealership available TRD supercharger option you could have 200 horses for "much less than 20 grand"...so its really not that bad. -------------------- 3rd gen ST205 3SGTE - Alive and boosting. |
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Jan 5, 2004 - 7:28 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
doubt that, a trd SC will probably cost about $3k even if the base price for the TC is $15k, by time you pay tax and registration and then $3k for the SC, it will be over $20k, not well under $20k aside from the srt4, what car that costs $20K makes 200hp? base price for an RSX type s is $23k -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Jan 5, 2004 - 8:12 PM
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n/m you guys are talking about the new scion brand lol
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Jan 5, 2004 - 8:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 13, '02 From Blairstown, New Jersey Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Youre probably right on that one....TRD is damn expensive. It might come pretty close price wise with other cars though, especially if you get a used one after a couple years (much cheaper)and then put the SC on....but yea, thats not the same as a new 200 horsepower car. The 2.4 liter that it uses is probably found in a Toyota though, which might have aftermarket turbo or sc kits available other than through TRD. -------------------- 3rd gen ST205 3SGTE - Alive and boosting. |
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Jan 5, 2004 - 9:34 PM
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I like the front is hot as hell.
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Jan 5, 2004 - 10:19 PM
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The potential of the vehicle is there.
Engine Double overhead cam (DOHC)16-valve VVT-i 4-cylinder Displacement 2.4 Liters Bore x stroke Compression ratio Valvetrain Double overhead cam (DOHC) 16-valve with Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-I) Induction system Multi-port EFI Ignition system Electronic with Direct Ignition (TDI) Horsepower 159 Torque 162 Transmission 5-speed manual overdrive Standard 4-speed electronically controlled transmission (ECT) Available Brakes Power-assisted ventilated front/rear disc with Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) I think with the right tuning it could be a fun car. If the gearing is good the car should be able to move fairly well. Hell the new Accords with the 4 cylinder engine (160 hp, 161 tq, 2.4 liter) will keep up with alot of the 6 cylinder engines out there. My sales manager has a 2003 BMW 325 and he could barely pull away form the 4 cylinder Accord. It looks pretty good but I'll wait until I see one in person before I place final judgement on it. Daniel -------------------- Black 1996 Celica GT Convertible For Sale
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Jan 5, 2004 - 10:29 PM
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The 2AZFE isn't a good performance motor. It has good performance when it comes to driving around in the low-mid-range, but when it comes down to racing, I think the high-end power will power will not be all that great. This engine is no comparison to the new Accord 4 cylinders either. The Accord 4 cylinder is an overbored version of the RSX motor (K series iVtec motors)... so it has plenty of top-end potential. This engine was originally designed for trucks, to replace the ancient and bulletproof R series and then moved on to replace the 5SFE in the Camrys. All in all, even though it puts out good power, performance-wise, it'll deliver it in undesireable places. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Jan 5, 2004 - 10:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah, F heads make for lower power and lower potential and mod response.
hence the 7aFe and 5sFe -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Jan 6, 2004 - 12:17 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 2, '03 From midwest Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
hey,
maybe this is a distraction until 06' and Toyota will have a real sports car back on the lot .. i could only hope.. any car with a FE series motor will never be a true preformance sports car.. the heads are just not tuned to all out power .. these motors are for torque loving US market and are great for powering down on- ramps or passing .. I would have been much happier with a corolla T sport as i want a hatch for daily beater .. i sure hope a car guy at Mr T approves a car and stops letting bean counters run company like they do at GM... |
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Jan 6, 2004 - 12:37 AM
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The thing though, is that I read in Car and Driver back in the day, that they were starting the Scion line of cars to appeal to the younger peoples...so I don't imagine that they put too much into making a monster engine for these cars. Afterall, the bigger the engine, the more expensive the car, and teenagers work at Burger King. |
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Jan 6, 2004 - 12:39 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
it needs a kia logo... what a pos... toyota lost its style and sense of driving for pleasure.
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Jan 6, 2004 - 12:41 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok... well the more i look at it the more it grows on me... but i still feel toyota is loosing its style and emphasis on the driver.
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Jan 6, 2004 - 1:20 AM
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Well thats why its a scion, its not supposed to be a camry or avalon, its meant to be an affordable quality car which it is. They are meant to be cheap on gas and I think they have out done themselves putting 160hp/trq in the thing. And those torqe numbers are nice for variable valve timing if you ask me. I wouldnt mind picking up a used xA some day and tune it up, they actually look hot done up. |
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Jan 6, 2004 - 1:29 AM
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when you think of it, this car is really nice for under 20 grand. For me the car looks good outside, even though its a collage of new volvo s40 front with hyundai tiburon rear- for me the real make or break will be what the interior looks like... That said, with the corolla XRS on its way for toyota, i doubt anything that resembles the celica will make its way back to the states for the next few years... I think that when i want a new car ill be waiting for alfa romeo's return to the US in 2006 and hoping the 147, or its replacement, makes it here...
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Car #2: 95 Celica GT- purchased 8/03, current daily driver Car #1: 01 Focus ZX3- purchased 5/01, sold 8/03 |
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Jan 6, 2004 - 1:31 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
why is everyone pissed that toyota is coming out with some 300hp rwd monster.. last time they did that they didn't sell casue the people that wanted them just couldn't affored them...
so they come out with this new line of cars that are cheap in price but still have toyota qaulity.. -------------------- |
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Jan 6, 2004 - 1:36 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
did you mean "ISNT" mac?
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Jan 6, 2004 - 1:42 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yea thanks for the correction. -------------------- |
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Jan 6, 2004 - 1:55 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
NP just makin sure i understood what you were saying. and yea i definatly see your point. japanese "supercars" dont sell well untill they are on the used car market for a while. seems the MRS is super enough... oh well.
-------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Jan 13, 2004 - 3:32 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '03 From San Diego, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
it looks good. But i dont know why toyota has 3 differnt companies that produces no real powered cars. i get why they have lexus as their luxury cars. and i thought that scion was gonna be the economical cars. But it seems that the tC is lookin into retiring the celica. I pray that i am wrong on that statement. But if it means to resurect the all mighty supra.....
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