Lowering Springs, TRD Lowered Springs or Tein S Tech Options

[trdproven]

ive ridden on tein springs and many tein coilovers, did not like any of them, the features, the price, sometimes they are incomplete coilovers too. In fact I had Tein coilovers before - sucked a$$, decided to take them off after 1 ride, switched to BC and running nice for a while now. For Japanese product, I just dont like Tein. I've ridden on more generic suspension that felt better, like for coilovers Megan and BC > Tein, hands down. i just dont like that product, if you want springs, I'd say stick to TRD, Intrax, Eibach, but yea, Teins too I guess if you really want them since they are not too bad as springs but for coilovers, price - feature - adjustability is crap. Even their hardest damper setting was weaker than my half way settings.

[Rusty]

Were the Tein coilovers, the USA or the Japanese version?

A reason why the tein shocks felt softer would be that they are degressive valved, where as the others are linear.

[BonzaiCelica]

Were the Tein coilovers, the USA or the Japanese version?

A reason why the tein shocks felt softer would be that they are degressive valved, where as the others are linear.

not to mention europe and jdm are front spring rate 4k and rear spring rate 3k.

USA front spring rate 7k and rear spring rate 5k

[trdproven]

Were the Tein coilovers, the USA or the Japanese version?

A reason why the tein shocks felt softer would be that they are degressive valved, where as the others are linear.

I had the Japanese ones, but my friends have had both Japanese and US versions all low end to high end models and all were mostly crap to me only because i've tried different coilovers in my cars and Teins seem like waste of money for what you get for its price and features. I've tried brands like TRD, Intrax for springs - both were good, for coilovers ive tried megan, BC, and tein, and tein was the worst out of all of them. Ive ridden on more tein coilovers than any other brands and was disgusted the most.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Aug 29, 2012 - 5:19 PM

[Box]

I have Tein, have ridden in other vehicles with Tein and liked them. Only other brands I'd consider would be Tanabe and Eibach, and of course TRD/Nismo/Mugen etc... where it applies.

[trdproven]

I have Tein, have ridden in other vehicles with Tein and liked them. Only other brands I'd consider would be Tanabe and Eibach, and of course TRD/Nismo/Mugen etc... where it applies.

Honestly alot of the Japanese coilovers are considered mediocre in specs, dampening, spring rates because in japan the roads are not that bad and is for slow speeds cus its too crowded there. they arent made for US pot holes and roads that feel like construction never completed. put it this way, my halfway settings are still better than Teins most stiffest setting and mine still rides better. Teins lack adjustability and options. almost outdated when compared to new style coilovers. Tanabe, TRD, and Tein are just Ok really. If you really like Tein, I cant wait for your reaction when you try something better. Surprisingly i really like the Chinese parts bin a lot better and Im all for Japanese products just not their suspension for realllsss. You cant imagine with all my cars how many suspension ive purchased and bought and how many ive ridden on my friends cars. Like I said I put on my Tein coilovers 1 day, rode for under 2 miles, then bought BC coilovers the same day. I literally threw those Tein suspensions out the window in fact 1 shock blew in that time. and all my friends say the same thing they blow early. BCs are pretty good, could have gotten higher end ones but already wasted money on crap Teins. All my friends say dont ever get Teins, and I was like YEAAH i thought it was only me. and this comes from friends who have slammed cars, heavy cars, and autocross cars. Actually just rode in a Lexus Tein Coilovers, ohhh man, they sucked, he had to slow down in every single bump on the road, so i took him in both my cars and drove it like it aint dropped and he freaked out, he said next set is whatever I got, but he is just one of the many proof of a dissatisfied owner of Tein. For me, id rather get the budget coilovers like Megan and BC since they are cheap and ride a lot better than Teins, and even by the time they blow, it wont be that bad to buy them again. instead of spending for 3k or more on coilovers that could blow in the same time or just get older in time by the time you get new budget ones. ive changed suspension on all my cars so much it aint even funny. my 6gc by itself went through 3 suspension setups meaning coilovers or springs, and ive changed almost 90% of all my suspension in the suspension diagram. Imagine what i had to do to my other cars ive had. I have nothing against Teins, I was just expecting more from a Japanese company, and it didnt help that not even 1 of them satisfied me. i just want to give people the heads up for any car. I recall reading the manual when dropping it, i lowered it first and it was soo freakin high so much finger gap, so when went back to the manual i was like what the hell, its even already dropped lower than the freakin recommended specs and the car was still a 4x4. freakin pissed me off. I can only think that if you use Tein coilovers to drop 1" ONLY maybe you might be ok but at that point you might as well get eibach or TRD springs.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Aug 29, 2012 - 5:58 PM

[Box]

Different strokes for different folks. I just refuse to buy Chinese when it costs just as much as a Japanese made product.

This post has been edited by Box: Aug 30, 2012 - 12:34 AM

[trdproven]

Its up to you I deal with suspension ugprades almost all the time. I know how all of them feel, all my friends who had Teins, none of them were happy, in fact none of them run Teins anymore. I guess maybe the ones you rode on were all 1" drop not 2"-4". Teins coilovers cant drop a car low enough either which is junk, you might as well get drop springs.

At the same time you only have the Tein springs, so I guess you wouldnt even know how any of their coilovers feel. Lowering springs still have full diameter coils in them which still make them somewhat comfy, Lowering springs are still made like stock springs just different spring rates or less coils.

Megan/BC/Ksport/all other brands made from the china parts bin which are made for US market have more full adjustability and complete assy while Teins have way less adjustability, soft spring rates, soft damper, not always a complete assy, reassemble/reassemble, reuse stock components. so you can spend the same money and still get a crappier product just so you can say yours is Made In Japan, i dont think thats a great sacrifice. After installing, riding, on all those f-en cars that had em, they are crap suspension. I threw away 1000+ dollars just like that when I bought them. if anyone has ridden on cut ass springs on crap shocks or junky coil sleeves and junk shocks, thats exactly how it felt. I felt like my car was freakin broken when I drove it. It was freeakin bouncy as hell. When i first put it on and picked up my friend who had a higher end tein coilover in the past, he goes whoah your suspension is crazy, let me guess, Teins? thats another proof. 1 friend had to lift his up because it could not handle any bumps, another friend dropped it even more cus he wants to blow it faster so he can get something else, another friend sold his car cus it irritated him, my other friend, burned his highend tein coilovers, another friend bottoms out on minor bumps on the road, another friend who is a hardcore autocrosser told me I would never get Tein, and another hardcore mechanic friend told me too. and each one of us work on our own cars, we dont help each other, so we have our own experiences, our own customers. and remember all these fools were running the stiffest setting they could run, mine felt better at only halfway. It was crazy when I brought up my experience with them and I was like hey howcome teins feel crazy, each one of them, 1 on 1 told me they are crap. None of my friends who had teins knew each other all from different groups, i just knew each one of them so those were all independent experiences. Like I said Teins are built for Japan roads not U.S. Just like anyone else, i'd love to always keep Japan parts on my list, you can check my long parts list on my profile, but not with Teins, I refuse....everyone falls for the made in japan and cute character marketing. I guess its really up to you why dont you spend the 1000+ and try it out and let us know if you can even find them anymore, or get it for another car.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Aug 30, 2012 - 12:30 AM

[Box]

I wouldn't buy the Tein coil-overs (or any most likely) for the Celica. But I've looked up the Tein coil-overs for other cars and on the MR2, Supra, 240SX, Miata, etc... they drop 2.5-3", and the more expensive ones are fully adjustable. I know how you feel though, it's easy to get burned by a company and have a bitter resentment towards them. I for one will never buy another Mitsubishi car, but that's another story for another time.

[trdproven]

all my friends got burned thats why i didnt take it as a personal defense against tein I take it for all the experiences my friends had. wow 2.5"-3" thats amazing i would assume Teins would bounce like a 6-4. i hate mitsubishi too.

[Box]

I'd have to try them all for myself to know once and for all I suppose. My uncle uses Tein on all of his vehicles, so I'm most familiar with them. He also only drives Toyota. Family influence I guess.

[trdproven]

my hardcore friends that had teins never like them as did I on my first mile of driving it.

another member here on another thread just mentioned his KYBs and Tein springs are bouncing like crazy and is now looking for something else, just another note.

and thats springs, springs should feel more comfy. but i talk crap hardcore about Tein also in the newcelica forums and no one has defended teins or bought the ones on sale brand new on the forum sales there.

We really need to bring back the old parts list on here and the review of products back to this site. seriously. I was still updating it until it disappeared out of nowhere.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Aug 30, 2012 - 7:35 PM

[Box]

my hardcore friends that had teins never like them as did I on my first mile of driving it.

another member here on another thread just mentioned his KYBs and Tein springs are bouncing like crazy and is now looking for something else, just another note.

and thats springs, springs should feel more comfy.

Have never had problems with mine. Then again when mine were installed the entire suspension was adjusted and aligned by a Toyota dealer.

[TannerEsser]

id get the S tech's there good springs, alittle stiffer than stock and have a decent ride. they dont lower your car alot but they are good to cut as much as 1 coil in the front and 1.5 coils in the rear and they still maintain a good spring rate. they also go really well with kyb GR-2 struts...

""""my hardcore friends that had teins never like them as did I on my first mile of driving it.
another member here on another thread just mentioned his KYBs and Tein springs are bouncing like crazy and is now looking for something else, just another note.
and thats springs, springs should feel more comfy.""""

they only do that if you forget to trim your bump stops like a pillock. if your riding on your bump stops you will bounce because you will then be riding on rubber. your hardcore friends seem super hardcore, brah.

This post has been edited by TannerEsser: Sep 4, 2012 - 3:18 PM

[bsamps4]

I absolutely hate my tein lowering springs. I bottom out all the time. The handling could be much better. They just made a passable budget spring that sounds good on paper but sucks on the street. Save up for some proper coilovers.

[trdproven]

id get the S tech's there good springs, alittle stiffer than stock and have a decent ride. they dont lower your car alot but they are good to cut as much as 1 coil in the front and 1.5 coils in the rear and they still maintain a good spring rate. they also go really well with kyb GR-2 struts...

""""my hardcore friends that had teins never like them as did I on my first mile of driving it.
another member here on another thread just mentioned his KYBs and Tein springs are bouncing like crazy and is now looking for something else, just another note.
and thats springs, springs should feel more comfy.""""

they only do that if you forget to trim your bump stops like a pillock. if your riding on your bump stops you will bounce because you will then be riding on rubber. your hardcore friends seem super hardcore, brah.

nope thats not the problem, you have to remember, tein coilovers dont drop that much if you look at the recommended drop heights, most people just force it to drop low. but my friends cars weren't dropped low like they might as well use springs. I fully understand the bump stop part, suspension is one of the major things I work on these days. If you know Teins, you'll know their dampers and spring rates are not that great because its made for Japan roads that go slow or rarely any bumps. US and other places have crazy roads.

Myself, i can tell the difference because I owned many different suspensions and installed many for friends, so I can REALLY tell. I owned 3 suspension setups for my 6gc, 2 setups on my 7gc, (ALL DIFFERENT BRANDS) and many for the supras back in my day. Have you tried other suspension springs or coilovers yet and different brands?

I absolutely hate my tein lowering springs. I bottom out all the time. The handling could be much better. They just made a passable budget spring that sounds good on paper but sucks on the street. Save up for some proper coilovers.

Exactly what I mean, however, I think you are one of the many who are dissatisfied, but just doublecheck you have bump stops still there and cut off one ring.


This post has been edited by trdproven: Sep 4, 2012 - 6:18 PM

[TannerEsser]

id get the S tech's there good springs, alittle stiffer than stock and have a decent ride. they dont lower your car alot but they are good to cut as much as 1 coil in the front and 1.5 coils in the rear and they still maintain a good spring rate. they also go really well with kyb GR-2 struts...

""""my hardcore friends that had teins never like them as did I on my first mile of driving it.
another member here on another thread just mentioned his KYBs and Tein springs are bouncing like crazy and is now looking for something else, just another note.
and thats springs, springs should feel more comfy.""""

they only do that if you forget to trim your bump stops like a pillock. if your riding on your bump stops you will bounce because you will then be riding on rubber. your hardcore friends seem super hardcore, brah.

nope thats not the problem, you have to remember, tein coilovers dont drop that much if you look at the recommended drop heights, most people just force it to drop low. but my friends cars weren't dropped low like they might as well use springs. I fully understand the bump stop part, suspension is one of the major things I work on these days. If you know Teins, you'll know their dampers and spring rates are not that great because its made for Japan roads that go slow or rarely any bumps. US and other places have crazy roads.

Myself, i can tell the difference because I owned many different suspensions and installed many for friends, so I can REALLY tell. I owned 3 suspension setups for my 6gc, 2 setups on my 7gc, (ALL DIFFERENT BRANDS) and many for the supras back in my day. Have you tried other suspension springs or coilovers yet and different brands?

i have tried a few different types of springs and coil overs that i have installed on my friends cars... but I've really had no problems at all with my teins when i first put them on i took off about half the bump stop and have had no problems with bounce or bottoming out. and the fact is that bounce isn't caused by your springs per say, but your struts failing to do their job. all springs will bounce if you have ****ty struts or your riding on your bump stops.

[trdproven]

TEIN SUCKS PERIOD I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS thats my opinion...If that is someone's idea of their best standard of quality, I'd love to see their reaction with trying something better. Teins are low end to me. Teins are ok at best or just under that. I dont have the most expensive brand suspension only the ones over a thousand dollars ones on all my cars, but my friends have the more expensive ones, but they love how mine rides better. They always say you drive like its still stock, as I am slamming all the bumps and potholes, feels regular like its not dropped. The first thing I asked my wife when she drove the 7gc was how does the car feeel? She says why, the same? then i told her cus I changed the suspension. She said oh i thought it was still stock, in terms of feel. These are BC coilovers, when i first put on my Tein coilovers, I literally took that $hit off the same day. I'd hate to see her reaction on that.

I had Teins COILOVERS, so Im not sure what you are talking about, they are crap crap crap crap, bouncy as hell, they were brand new only dropped 1.2 inches. Imagine these are their coilovers not their springs. All my friends ran teins with all their cars, now they are using the brands I use. ive bought PLENTY different coilover brands for my cars, 3 lowering springs, and installed many others for different cars, they react also different in other cars, but the bottom line is that in each car, i want certain expectations or any brand to meet my standards. Also just let you know besides their crap spring rates and dampers, their adjustability features are crap, and their stiffest setting cant even beat my half adjusted settings on mine. I dont know why defend teins when no one has their coilvers here if any, only springs, and even at that, you already see some say its okay, and you already see some on this same thread say they were dissatisfied. but then again some people say they are good cus 1, they havent tried anything else, and 2, cus they want to defend where their money went. If they were a good product youd get consistent answers. All my friends Teins cars, I always say your suspension sucks and they'll agree everytime with me. i had TRD springs at one point with super dead struts, and they never bottomed out, thats another example that Tein spring rates for their springs are weak.

you should buy it and try it out and let us know how it rides, then you could ride with another 6gc who has megans or bc's and realize you wasted your money. TRUST me you can really notice the difference between the good budget coilovers and the wanna be people who force themselves to run the Japan brand name to be JDM, whatever. Im just as JDM as the next guy, you can look in my profile for sure, but then you are going to wonder why somethings i buy aren't japanese parts because of quality purposes. I go to Japan frequently and you'd understand that alot of their products are made for Japan not US, but more importantly their coilovers.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Sep 4, 2012 - 11:49 PM

[TannerEsser]

TEIN SUCKS PERIOD I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS...If that is someone idea of their best standard of quality, I'd love to see their reaction with something better. I dont have the most expensive brand suspension only the thousand dollar ones, but they have the more expensive ones, but they love me cars rides better. They always say you drive like its still stock.

you just sound stupid period.
and looking at your other posts in the other topics, leads me to believe that you have no idea what the f**k your talking about.

I've also ridden and driven bc's and megan's both bouncy. its how you adjust your struts brooha


This post has been edited by TannerEsser: Sep 4, 2012 - 11:43 PM

[trdproven]

obviously you have no idea what im talking about then, yes you can adjust the damper, but you missed the whole point of adjustability between Tein and other products. obviously you dont understand Teins features and adjustability. ive been here ever since, Ive been with toyotas, hondas and nissans. Ive written stickys and contributed to this site. what have you done, 1 bar here rookie? but wait let me look at your cars profile oh, its a piece of ****. sorry... spend more money on your car or work on it more or pay a better mechanic so you can sound cool...then you can talk. btw, next time don't cut springs and make your lights yellow, get wheels, better suspension, projectors, get real parts, nvm just throw away your car, or better yet its driver.