4th gen 3sgte, How much easier or harder is it to swap Options

[Lil-Joe101]

So I went thru the stickies and the ere is a thread that says great info for anyone looking to swap a 4th gen 3sgte. But doesnt give me any info that Im specificly looking for, which is how much easier or harder is it to swap a 4th gen 3sgte than a 3rd gen. Is it still plug n play for a JDM celica or or is there more stuff that needs to be done, and last note does it drop right in or do modification need to be done?

[3WayStunna]

The mechanical parts are the same as it would be with swapping in a 3rd gen. Its the wiring that usually gets people. But i think Dr. Tweak does a conversion harness so yea that could be a possible route. Also why the 4th gen yo? Its kinda known that the rods are kinda weak compared to the 3rd gen version.

This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Jun 15, 2012 - 1:21 AM

[Lil-Joe101]

Really just keepin an open mind and looking at different options for this swap as far as budget, cost effectiveness, and penny value.

[easternpiro1]

3way is right. its the same exact thing as swapping in a 3rd gen, the differneces you will find will be the In routing the intercooler piping (though slightly) and in particular the wiring.

4th gen is the newer motor, spools a little quicker, however, has weaker rods, and less aftermarket support/knowledge about that motor specifically. i'd say that the 3rd and 4th gen have about 85-90% things in common.

if you plan on going big power, dont get a 4th gen. if you just want a nice quick fun to drive car, go for a 4th gen. If I could do it over again, i'd probably go 3rd gen.

[lagos]

Really just keepin an open mind and looking at different options for this swap as far as budget, cost effectiveness, and penny value.

4th gen SEEMS cheaper because you are forgetting to add 500$ for a wiring conversion, and probably another 300 for an intercooler and piping.
With a 3rd gen you get a really good intercooler out of the box and the wiring is something most people can do on their own. 3rd gen is the engine to get, hands down.

[badman322]

The mechanical parts are the same as it would be with swapping in a 3rd gen. Its the wiring that usually gets people. But i think Dr. Tweak does a conversion harness so yea that could be a possible route. Also why the 4th gen yo? Its kinda known that the rods are kinda weak compared to the 3rd gen version.

Tweaks is pretty pricey. Found a guy on the MR2 boards that does it for about half the price. Will find out shortly whether or not the work is as good as Tweaks is supposed to be. Man, the special's been out of commission since March and it's almost all done. The suspense is killing me!!

[95CelicaST]

Referring to mr220v? Excellent harness work.

[delusionz]

4th gen is the way to go, im sorry i didnt build a forged 4th gen instead of rebuilding my 3rd gen.

stronger block, coil on plug, side feed intake,

not sure about the gen 4 crank, a gen 3 crank or 5sfe reground if you want a stroker build can be used if the gen 4 is found to be weaker

once you have je pistons and eagle rods (or even a set of 2nd hand gen 3) , that should be all the weaknesses covered

[delusionz]

as for the turbo, once you've had a garrett ballbearing turbo theres no going back

[Syaoran]

4th gen is the way to go, im sorry i didnt build a forged 4th gen instead of rebuilding my 3rd gen.

stronger block, coil on plug, side feed intake,

not sure about the gen 4 crank, a gen 3 crank or 5sfe reground if you want a stroker build can be used if the gen 4 is found to be weaker

once you have je pistons and eagle rods (or even a set of 2nd hand gen 3) , that should be all the weaknesses covered

+1

3rd gen is only better if you plan on squeezing out power out of the stock internals.

[easternpiro1]

4th gen is the way to go, im sorry i didnt build a forged 4th gen instead of rebuilding my 3rd gen.

stronger block, coil on plug, side feed intake,

not sure about the gen 4 crank, a gen 3 crank or 5sfe reground if you want a stroker build can be used if the gen 4 is found to be weaker

once you have je pistons and eagle rods (or even a set of 2nd hand gen 3) , that should be all the weaknesses covered

i didnt know the block was stronger... thought they were the same! the crank from a 4th gen is the same as a 3rd from what im told, hence beign able to put earlier gen rods on it.

your last statement is true! the rods are THE WEAK point of the 4th gen....

other than the 4th gen being newer, and not as likely to have been beat on (being that they are USUALLY automatic trannys) id say that... wait... i just talked myself into liking the 4th gen more again! lol

[pilot4life89]

hello all! i just bought a 4th generation 3sgte to put in my 2001 celica.
would any of you happen to have a service manual you could sell me or know where i could find one?
it would help out a lot!
thanks!
-Ben

[timdog1720]

Yea 4th is Great. Weak points can be changed out in due time ...(I mean after all a person going bigger and hard either way is gonna tear the engine apart to install modified stuff)

you get the 4th and its pretty much new compared to the 3rd 2nd and 1st.... this is not 2002 -2004 when this forum stated so I mean its time to move one allot of that stuff about the 4th can be worked around


HEY JUST MY OPINION !

This post has been edited by timdog1720: Dec 20, 2012 - 11:18 PM

[easternpiro1]

hello all! i just bought a 4th generation 3sgte to put in my 2001 celica.
would any of you happen to have a service manual you could sell me or know where i could find one?
it would help out a lot!
thanks!
-Ben

there should be one online somewhere, if not, check lithia toyota and ask if they can get you a toyota caldina service manual.

[boostordie]

hello all! i just bought a 4th generation 3sgte to put in my 2001 celica.
would any of you happen to have a service manual you could sell me or know where i could find one?
it would help out a lot!
thanks!
-Ben

Hey Ben,

Congratulations on getting your awesome new 4th gen motor! We here at Prime Performance in Stanhope, NJ install these 4th gens all day into mr2s, rav4s and celicas and they are just fantastic motors. Nothing can spool with a stock 15b turbo gen4. It is a true joy to drive and my gen4 mr2 race car does embarrass a good number of my Porsche buddies and their $100,000 dollars monsters. The caldina manual has proven very difficult to find even for me with my contacts in Japan. However, if you have any problems I would be happy to help you with some decision making and advice from my years of installing and racing these motors. My email is primepeformanceauto@gmail.com and our office number is 862-258-3346. PS mr220v does the best wiring of anyone I have ever dealt with and he is a really good guy too.

Thank you
Justin
Prime Performance
www.primemr2.com
primeperformanceauto@gmail.com
862-258-3346

[boostordie]

Here are a couple examples of gen4 mr2s we built a few weeks back. This is the quality of work we do.





This post has been edited by boostordie: Dec 28, 2012 - 1:55 PM