Engine swap questions. Options

[1994Celica]

I've been debating on engine swaps and I have some questions. How reliable would a swapped car be? What swap would be the best for a daily diver?

[Malek]

Depends on what you want...
Most guys with a GT do a 3SGTE swap if they want more power. I just completed mine.

Here's a good thread with lots of information
The 3SGTE Swap

Read..search..read..search more..

Edit:
Read through your thread about twin turbos from 09..that happened to get locked..
The answer to your question is in there..from 95celicaST..

This post has been edited by Malek: Mar 19, 2013 - 12:08 PM

[Box]

1MZ-FE by far would be the best for a daily driver. Reliable, gets good mpg, cheaper to swap, and you can get all the parts from any parts house. Both engines being stock I'd imagine the 1MZ-FE may even be faster than a 3S-GTE car due to less weight in the engine and no turbo lag. It'd make for an interesting race. If I were to swap I'd go with the 1MZ-FE and E153.

[1994Celica]

1MZ-FE by far would be the best for a daily driver. Reliable, gets good mpg, cheaper to swap, and you can get all the parts from any parts house. Both engines being stock I'd imagine the 1MZ-FE may even be faster than a 3S-GTE car due to less weight in the engine and no turbo lag. It'd make for an interesting race. If I were to swap I'd go with the 1MZ-FE and E153.

Isn't the 1mz more complicated of a swap?

[kurt95gt]

Stock to stock a 1mz is alil fastrr than a 2nd gen 3sgte
The 3rd gen 3s is alil faster than the 1mz
Any stock swap can make a good dd if you take the time to do the swap right

[kurt95gt]

Its not really more complicated than a 3s swap it you spend all extra to get the harness done
An a 1mz swap an be done for around 2000-2500 (maybe even cheaper) depending where you get your parts from
Most good 3s clips will cost around that before you even get it in the car

[1994Celica]

Its not really more complicated than a 3s swap it you spend all extra to get the harness done
An a 1mz swap an be done for around 2000-2500 (maybe even cheaper) depending where you get your parts from
Most good 3s clips will cost around that before you even get it in the car

How hard is the wiring?

[kurt95gt]

I didn't even try to do mine an I still have nightmares
There's a lot that changes In it
It only cost 430 if you have mr22v do it

[Box]

V6 sounds better too.

[1994Celica]

Depends on what you want...
Most guys with a GT do a 3SGTE swap if they want more power. I just completed mine.

Here's a good thread with lots of information
The 3SGTE Swap

Read..search..read..search more..

Edit:
Read through your thread about twin turbos from 09..that happened to get locked..
The answer to your question is in there..from 95celicaST..

I forgot about that thread. I wish I hadn't made it.

[1994Celica]

Depends on what you want...
Most guys with a GT do a 3SGTE swap if they want more power. I just completed mine.

Here's a good thread with lots of information
The 3SGTE Swap

Read..search..read..search more..

Edit:
Read through your thread about twin turbos from 09..that happened to get locked..
The answer to your question is in there..from 95celicaST..

I forgot about that thread. I wish I hadn't made it.

I'm leaning more to the 3s right now. It seems more straight forward, plus many people have done it so there is a wealth of info on it.

[1994Celica]

Question for 3S people in the states. How hard are parts to get and how expensive are they?

[Smaay]

very hard and very expensive. which is why Box and myself think a V6 swap is the better to do

[1994Celica]

very hard and very expensive. which is why Box and myself think a V6 swap is the better to do

That's what's pulling me towards the v6 swap. What really scares me though are the mounts and the wiring.

[Smaay]

if you have a GT then you only need 1 mount. the other 3 are on the transmission. the wiring can be challenging, i sent my harness to MR220V and he did it for me. the only other fab work was the Y pipe and a coolant pipe (not necessary if you find a suitable hose)

I can provide the mount Y pipe and coolant pipe.

[presure2]

very hard and very expensive. which is why Box and myself think a V6 swap is the better to do

and thats very very bull****.
lithia stocks alot of the parts for the 3rd gen, including all the important stuff, and ALL the 2nd gen parts are available here.

[njccmd2002]

very hard and very expensive. which is why Box and myself think a V6 swap is the better to do

and thats very very bull****.
lithia stocks alot of the parts for the 3rd gen, including all the important stuff, and ALL the 2nd gen parts are available here.

yup. decent prices and also turn around time on hard to get stuff is 4 weeks, i just found that out 3 weeks ago

[BonzaiCelica]

Cmon smaay dont make it seem as if its near impossible to get beams parts. Put ur opinion but dont post things that arent true. While it is hard its not very hard. The beams maintenance is pretty straight forward. Unless ur replacing internal parts or parts that need rrplacing every 60,000 miles

[presure2]

and saying the v6 swap is cheaper only works if you only are looking for ~200 or so hp.
99% of the owners on this site dont want to rebuild a motor before they swap it in, nevermind put parts of 2 motors together, like smaay did.
so, you swap in a v6, in most cases here either a 1mz or 3mz, end up with anywhere from 160-220whp, depending on the setup.
a stock 3rd gen makes ~240whp at stockish boost with just an intake and exhaust.
yea, it costs more up front, but will make 300whp all day @ 17-18psi, which is still within the factory parameters, super reliably.
to get that in a v6, your either swapping in a 2gr, which is just as or more expensive than a 3s swap, or turboing a 1m or 3vz or whatever, which ends up costing way more than a 3s swap, and you loose all the factory reliability.

trust me, i started with a stock 5s, turboed it to just under 200whp, got bored real quick, and kept upgrading it till i broke it @ over 300whp with my crappy tuning skills.
i've driven enough v6 camrys to know that a v6 (other than maybe the 2gr) in a celica WILL get boring quick, especially to a young kid thats lookin to have some fun with the local hondah guys.
just like the 5s, most of the v6's you guys are gonna be swapping are designed to be fuel effecient, and be reliable, not make big power and racing, lets be honest here.
my point is, by the time you swap in a v6, and make it fun, your way past the cost of a 3s swap, with none of the reliability.
short of the beams, or 4th gen 3sgte, parts are very easily attainable, and if your smart, even parts for those engines are a phone call and a couple weeks of waiting away.

to the OP, any swapped car is only as reliable as the work put into it.

[rave2n]

Parts for the 3sgte were not at autozone or advance auto...but they certainly were not impossible or long waiting to acquire.

TCP got the parts to me in 2 weeks.