6G Celicas Forums

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

2 Pages V   1 2 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Less camber via control arms
post Sep 4, 2013 - 5:42 AM
+Quote Post
yellowchinaman



Enthusiast
****
Joined Aug 11, '08
From London
Currently Offline

Reputation: 7 (100%)




People say you can't adjust the rear camber of the 6G.
The original rear arms have a rod length adjuster and front ones are fixed for toe adjustments.
Like the two seen in this link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CELICA-ST202-AT200...018&vxp=mtr

So my thoughts are that the front and rear control arms are of the same fitments in bushes?

If so, then theoretically if I buy 4 of the rear arms I can shorten them reducing the camber?
post Sep 4, 2013 - 6:13 AM
+Quote Post
Batman722



Enthusiast
*****
Joined Mar 8, '04
From Newport, RI
Currently Offline

Reputation: 63 (99%)




maybe.

This post has been edited by Batman722: Sep 4, 2013 - 6:14 AM


--------------------
post Sep 4, 2013 - 7:07 AM
+Quote Post
Tigawoods



Enthusiast
*****
Joined Dec 22, '06
From Columbia, MD
Currently Offline

Reputation: 13 (100%)




that probably would work


--------------------

1995 GT::::Diffusing the Situation
エキサイティングカーレーシングチーム!
march 2010 COTM : 6GC feature 2014 : january 2015-2016-2018 COTM
post Sep 5, 2013 - 8:00 AM
+Quote Post
yellowchinaman



Enthusiast
****
Joined Aug 11, '08
From London
Currently Offline

Reputation: 7 (100%)




just had confirmation that the front and rear rods are the same fitment so I'm going to try and order a 2 sets of rears for camber adjustment.
post Sep 5, 2013 - 10:07 AM
+Quote Post
bnr32celica

Enthusiast
**
Joined Jan 16, '12
From 860, ct
Currently Offline

Reputation: 0 (0%)




QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Sep 5, 2013 - 9:00 AM) *
just had confirmation that the front and rear rods are the same fitment so I'm going to try and order a 2 sets of rears for camber adjustment.


Let us know how it goes. I think you may be onto something.
post Sep 5, 2013 - 4:14 PM
+Quote Post
ILoveMySilly97



Enthusiast
*****
Joined Mar 8, '12
From Hanford/Fresno, Ca
Currently Offline

Reputation: 20 (100%)




After installation. Would they be adjustable without nodding it furthermore?


--------------------
post Sep 6, 2013 - 11:16 AM
+Quote Post
yellowchinaman



Enthusiast
****
Joined Aug 11, '08
From London
Currently Offline

Reputation: 7 (100%)




QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Sep 5, 2013 - 5:14 PM) *
After installation. Would they be adjustable without nodding it furthermore?


sorry what do you mean nodding it furthermore?

My idea is that once on you only need to get under the car and turn the buckles to extend or shorten the rods to reduce or gain more camber. Nothing else is needed to make this work. Just swap out the old with these.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: Sep 6, 2013 - 11:17 AM
post Sep 6, 2013 - 1:34 PM
+Quote Post
CrossCudi



Enthusiast
**
Joined Mar 10, '11
From New Jersey
Currently Offline

Reputation: 1 (100%)




as soon as u say it works,
im pressing submit to checkout !

thumbsup.gif


--------------------

94' Celica GT Manual
post Sep 6, 2013 - 6:28 PM
+Quote Post
Galcobar

Enthusiast
****
Joined Mar 3, '05
From Richmond, B.C.
Currently Offline

Reputation: 0 (0%)




QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Sep 6, 2013 - 9:16 AM) *
QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Sep 5, 2013 - 5:14 PM) *
After installation. Would they be adjustable without nodding it furthermore?


sorry what do you mean nodding it furthermore?

My idea is that once on you only need to get under the car and turn the buckles to extend or shorten the rods to reduce or gain more camber. Nothing else is needed to make this work. Just swap out the old with these.


Guessing typo? Modding versus nodding.

An issue with changing the camber via this method is that you're forcing the entire strut assembly to sit at an angle, which means all of the stress is going to be on the strut rob and the relatively thin metal holding it in the strut mount -- which is not designed to operate at that angle. It's why you see camber plates replace strut mounts, or why camber is more often adjusted by using asymmetrical bolts to angle the knuckle while the strut remains straight.
post Sep 6, 2013 - 6:40 PM
+Quote Post
ILoveMySilly97



Enthusiast
*****
Joined Mar 8, '12
From Hanford/Fresno, Ca
Currently Offline

Reputation: 20 (100%)




^What he said. Lol.


--------------------
post Sep 7, 2013 - 5:26 AM
+Quote Post
yellowchinaman



Enthusiast
****
Joined Aug 11, '08
From London
Currently Offline

Reputation: 7 (100%)




QUOTE (Galcobar @ Sep 6, 2013 - 7:28 PM) *
QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Sep 6, 2013 - 9:16 AM) *
QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Sep 5, 2013 - 5:14 PM) *
After installation. Would they be adjustable without nodding it furthermore?


sorry what do you mean nodding it furthermore?

My idea is that once on you only need to get under the car and turn the buckles to extend or shorten the rods to reduce or gain more camber. Nothing else is needed to make this work. Just swap out the old with these.


Guessing typo? Modding versus nodding.

An issue with changing the camber via this method is that you're forcing the entire strut assembly to sit at an angle, which means all of the stress is going to be on the strut rob and the relatively thin metal holding it in the strut mount -- which is not designed to operate at that angle. It's why you see camber plates replace strut mounts, or why camber is more often adjusted by using asymmetrical bolts to angle the knuckle while the strut remains straight.


I see what you mean but I don't see with the amount of negative camber I am after, it's not going to create any extra strain on any point because the outer CV joint allows the hub to bend much much more.
I was told the rods can be shorten over a cm in length which is way too much for what I need. only 5 mm's is enough for my rear wheels to be at 0deg. the only difference in pivot point I can think of will be at the top mounts but they are on a ball joint allowing the entire strut to swivel.
Sure there actual hub will be positioned deeper by a few mm's but the entire rear drive shaft can move in and out a lot more then that.
Top camber plates will be ideal but there isn't any in the market besides adjustable top mounts like BC but there is very little room in the chassis to allow it to move enough to make the difference. I have camber bolts but quite frankly I don't like the idea of using them especially for track use they tend to not stay in the same setting and they only offer about 1-1.5 deg difference.

I think it's going to be one of those things where until some one tried we'll never know. I'm going dig into my pockets to test this out at the end of the month and if it works, then it'll be a solution to a simple common problem for those with lowered 6G's.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: Sep 7, 2013 - 5:28 AM
post Sep 11, 2013 - 2:56 AM
+Quote Post
Galcobar

Enthusiast
****
Joined Mar 3, '05
From Richmond, B.C.
Currently Offline

Reputation: 0 (0%)




I'm not sure if I follow your explanation of why the strut would not be forced to sit at an angle.

Unless you're talking about an ST205, there aren't any rear constant velocity joints because there isn't a rear axle. Even with a rear axle, the CV joints accommodate the strut compression, but not varying angles of installation.

Similarly, strut mounts which accommodate a bearing will handle the strut spinning in place, not twisting off to one side or another. Those bearings are meant for two-dimensional movement only.
post Sep 11, 2013 - 3:59 AM
+Quote Post
yellowchinaman



Enthusiast
****
Joined Aug 11, '08
From London
Currently Offline

Reputation: 7 (100%)




Sorry buddy you've lost me.
Yes the st205 has cv joints immediatly after the hub.
I cant see where else you are referring to that will have added strain.
post Sep 11, 2013 - 7:26 AM
+Quote Post
Tigawoods



Enthusiast
*****
Joined Dec 22, '06
From Columbia, MD
Currently Offline

Reputation: 13 (100%)




top mounts work great but require the removal of the coilover each time you want to adjust.
this would be a great idea for minor adjustments.

I might just give this a try when I do the rear poly mounts


--------------------

1995 GT::::Diffusing the Situation
エキサイティングカーレーシングチーム!
march 2010 COTM : 6GC feature 2014 : january 2015-2016-2018 COTM
post Sep 11, 2013 - 8:25 AM
+Quote Post
yellowchinaman



Enthusiast
****
Joined Aug 11, '08
From London
Currently Offline

Reputation: 7 (100%)




QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Sep 11, 2013 - 8:26 AM) *
top mounts work great but require the removal of the coilover each time you want to adjust.
this would be a great idea for minor adjustments.

I might just give this a try when I do the rear poly mounts


Ive seen people with adjustable rear top mounts fitted but with widened holes in the rear in order to adjust the camber without having to remove the struts.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: Sep 11, 2013 - 8:31 AM
post Oct 8, 2013 - 5:54 PM
+Quote Post
rdyzz

Enthusiast
*
Joined Dec 27, '11
From minnesota
Currently Offline

Reputation: 0 (0%)




using two sets of adjustable control arm will allow you to adjust camber, but by doing so your affecting the rear track. btw tilting the strut more wont have any negative affects to the rear, its a strut not a shock, it was built with the purpose in mind of having loads come at it in whatever which way. besides the spring works to hold the weight of the car, many celica's with worn broken struts seem to have to stay in place until you disassemble the mounting then it drops and falls apart, some so bad the shaft actually falls out. it might cause the damper to have a little more stiction, but it will also improve the camber curve ever so slightly.

why not use a crash bolt or camber bolt? those seem to work pretty well provided you impact it on there good.

This post has been edited by rdyzz: Oct 8, 2013 - 6:00 PM
post Oct 26, 2013 - 7:34 AM
+Quote Post
qatar11

Enthusiast
****
Joined Aug 29, '02
From Lake Orion, MI
Currently Offline

Reputation: 6 (100%)




Y U NO CAMBER BOLT!?!





--------------------
-Mike
mjcoury@gmail.com
Team Reynolds Style
Celica Blog
Celica Wiki

It will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work.
post Dec 7, 2013 - 3:21 PM
+Quote Post
yellowchinaman



Enthusiast
****
Joined Aug 11, '08
From London
Currently Offline

Reputation: 7 (100%)






Just got these
post Dec 7, 2013 - 4:01 PM
+Quote Post
mkernz22



Enthusiast
*****
Joined May 10, '10
From MA
Currently Offline

Reputation: 37 (100%)




Nice, let's see how it works out!

This post has been edited by mkernz22: Dec 7, 2013 - 4:04 PM
post Dec 9, 2013 - 8:36 PM
+Quote Post
Syaoran



Enthusiast
*****
Joined Jan 4, '12
From US
Currently Offline

Reputation: 6 (100%)




Hurry up with this, I'm intrigued!!!


--------------------
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold
1994 Celica GT Liftback

2 Pages V   1 2 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic
4 User(s) are reading this topic (4 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



Lo-Fi Version Time is now: December 4th, 2024 - 11:40 PM