Red Top Beams, Looking to buy, need advice. Options

[Poonicus]

I've been looking around online for a redtop beams and wanted to get you guy's opinion on what I've found.

$1499.99
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-Toyota-3SGE-Be...6aa&vxp=mtr

$1384
http://www.jdmenginescorp.com/engine_detai...-trans-wire-ecu

$1995
http://www.jdmenginezone.com/engine-detail...top--98_99.html

[Smaay]

for those prices, have you considered a V6?

[richee3]

Out of the three, I recommend the last since it has the stock intake. The B pipe would be helpful as well but it's not necessary. An exhaust shop can fab one up for you. The first one is missing the rubber elbow on the throttle body which again, isn't essential, but isn't easy to track down.

[Poonicus]

for those prices, have you considered a V6?

Yes and no, sounds like a lot more work then I can tackle by myself..

Out of the three, I recommend the last since it has the stock intake. The B pipe would be helpful as well but it's not necessary. An exhaust shop can fab one up for you. The first one is missing the rubber elbow on the throttle body which again, isn't essential, but isn't easy to track down.

Yeah I noticed the elbow and throttle body's being missing too, but didn't know how hard those parts are to find. But I'm getting my next motor lined up because I am damn sick of my 5sfe, and it'll die sometime haha.

[Box]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-98-Toyota-Celi...b9b&vxp=mtr

Everything for much less.... They're even in Texas, so you could probably negotiate an even cheaper price if you picked it up yourself.

This post has been edited by Box: Nov 29, 2013 - 6:36 PM

[Box]

Man, the more I think about it what I posted is very tempting... You're lucky I don't have a GT, otherwise I'd have to buy it.

[njccmd2002]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-98-Toyota-Celi...b9b&vxp=mtr

Everything for much less.... They're even in Texas, so you could probably negotiate an even cheaper price if you picked it up yourself.

Victim sensor is broke. Add 200 used and 3 weeks to get

[Box]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-98-Toyota-Celi...b9b&vxp=mtr

Everything for much less.... They're even in Texas, so you could probably negotiate an even cheaper price if you picked it up yourself.

Victim sensor is broke. Add 200 used and 3 weeks to get

If only there was an engine swap where parts were cheap and readily available!

Victim sensor?? Auto "corrected" VVT-i?

This post has been edited by Box: Nov 30, 2013 - 1:56 AM

[H8TRAIN]

Victim sensor is broke. Add 200 used and 3 weeks to get

How did you know that? I just called on that motor today.

[njccmd2002]

Victim sensor is broke. Add 200 used and 3 weeks to get

How did you know that? I just called on that motor today.

I know how one looks like, and its hard, but you can see it on one of the pics..

[H8TRAIN]

I know how one looks like, and its hard, but you can see it on one of the pics..

I started scouring the pics when you posted that yesterday. After searching around for what it may look like, I leared that it should be somewhere around the cam gears. Is it the silver thing poking out the hood of the red cover by the intake cam gear? Where's waldo? And are we talking about the vvti solenoid a sensor? Thanks for pointing that out in the first place btw. Enlightening.

[njccmd2002]

here is a pic of healthy VVTI sensor.



engine

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-Celica-ST20...f93&vxp=mtr

[richee3]

I started scouring the pics when you posted that yesterday. After searching around for what it may look like, I leared that it should be somewhere around the cam gears. Is it the silver thing poking out the hood of the red cover by the intake cam gear? Where's waldo? And are we talking about the vvti solenoid a sensor? Thanks for pointing that out in the first place btw. Enlightening.

Yeah, it's the solenoid. The proper name is an oil control valve, or OCV. Somebody, I think Turnip or Puretone, found a suitable replacement out of a USDM car but I can't remember who or which motor the replacement OCV came from.

[Box]

Out of the 2ZZ-GE perhaps?

[richee3]

It wasn't the 2ZZ or the 1ZZ, it was some oddball engine like the 1.3 liter Echo engine or something. The BEAMS and 1ZZ are very closely related, so much so that a 1ZZ ECU will run a BEAMS although not well. I'd have thought that because of that a 1ZZ OCV would work, and it may still work, but the one that was found and confirmed was from some other engine. I should probably look that up one of these days.

[H8TRAIN]

Right on, guys. Thanks for the info!

[Smaay]

the OCV will only work if the hole it mounts in is the same and the holes for the oil passages are the same.

I find it amazing that a 1ZZ ECU will run a BEAMS, does it have a cam position sensor? how many teeth on the crank position sensor?

[richee3]

I have no idea how many teeth are on the crank position sensor, but it does have a cam position sensor. If I recall correctly the BEAMS has either one more or one less tooth on the cam gears than the 1ZZ. I shouldn't say its a popular or common mid but a few guys have repinned their harnesses and made a 1ZZ Apex'i PowerFC work for their BEAMS. Kind of a long read, but some interesting stuff here.

http://www.mr2.com/forums/threads/25784-Th...or-redtop-story!

http://www.mr2.com/forums/threads/23674-1z...-runs-the-Beams

[Poonicus]

Good thread glad I posted it haha and one more question in terms of driveablity and comfort, ect. would it be better to do 3gste or red top beams? I'm looking into swaping a motor into my car that gives it more power than the 5sfe but higher than like 16mpg.

[Box]

The 5S isn't the most fuel efficient motor around, but you should be getting upper 20's though with mostly highway driving. Most people report the same if not better fuel mileage with the BEAMS. The MR2 Turbo got 27 on the highway, so should get that or better with the 3rd gen 3S-GTE.