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post Dec 6, 2013 - 1:00 AM
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So, as some of you may or may not have seen the 2015 Mustang was revealed yesterday. It seems like a lot of people don't really care for it for some reason or another. I personally like it, there are a few niggles I have here and there. Overall I think visually it's an improvement from the current model, especially the side and rear profiles. The front everyone yells FUSION, but if you put it side by side to the current Mustang you'll see a lot of similarities with the one big difference being the headlights of course. After I gave it awhile I came to like it as well. It looks especially good in black, I think had the debut car been black it would've went over better. Even if you don't care for the looks too much, being 200-400 pounds lighter than the current model and featuring an independent rear suspension is kind of hard to argue with. The weight reduction is speculation I've read from site to site, but the IRS is confirmed. Also confirmed is the 3.7 V6, 5.0 V8, and the 2.3 I4 EcoBoost. I suppose the EcoBoost engine will be more for the Euro and Asian markets as it'll cost more and make less power than the V6, but should give mid 30's on the highway. The V6 and V8 will be getting a bump in power over the current model. I like where the Mustang has been going the last few years, and this seems like a big step forward. The Camaro isn't due for a remake until 2016, and the '14 refresh looks bleh. Which I was never a huge fan of how it looked anyhow, kind of clunky looking as is the Challenger. The Challenger weighs far too much, and the Camaro isn't too terribly far behind. The one thing terribly wrong with the Mustang is being addressed, so I look forward to its release. The one thing that let me down was the talk of it being a liftback, and it even looks like it would be, but it uses a plain old trunk... Same with the BRZ, huge miss there on both accounts. What I like about the Celica so much, despite being a small car there's plenty of cargo space. It looks like it might be hard not breaking my new car rule.

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post Dec 6, 2013 - 1:09 AM
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i looked at it, and liked it. however there is still something wrong withit. it does not have a



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other than that the car looks nice and the 4 cyl option may be a good thing for gas mileage..


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post Dec 6, 2013 - 1:19 AM
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Didn't stop you from buying the FR-S. tongue.gif Toyota doesn't have anything these days worth buying from an enthusiasts standpoint. Maybe the tC, and that's it. The FR-S is a Subaru through and though, so it doesn't count. I had hopes for the Lexus RC, but it's going to be a freaking hybrid. Which would be fine if they offered it with a manual transmission, but they won't... Toyota is my favourite of the Japanese brands, but ever since killing all of their fun cars they've lost me as a new customer.


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post Dec 6, 2013 - 2:24 AM
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lol, once a customer, never a new customer dude. FRS is a good car, but a mistake on my part. not prepared to shell out thousands to get some minimal gain. and you are right, the FRS at heart is a Subaru. Hence Im trading soon.

This mustang called my attention, but a matter of principle, and a medical condition i have (I get hives if i get into a FORD or chevy kind of car) does not allow me to even considering buying one... Well maybe in the future, if i decide to see an allergist MD.

But this model has its ups, and looks great. And will make a lot of people happy.


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post Dec 6, 2013 - 9:57 AM
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I think it looks sexy. For some reason people have it in their heads that the mustang will have to stay retro forever.. As for the Eco boost 4 banger, it will have a bit more hp/tq than the v6 and 90% of its torque will be available at 1500rpm. So it should be a bit faster than the v6 while getting a little better mileage. With my v6, the best I've gotten is 32.7 on the highway.


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post Dec 6, 2013 - 12:15 PM
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You know what I meant, I won't be buying any of their new cars. Will buy the older models though. tongue.gif Should go see an allergist then, could open up a wonderful new world for you.

It's mixed on what the EcoBoost will have, as Ford hasn't said anything yet. They have said the V6 and V8 will see an increase though. Theoretically the 2.3 EcoBoost should make at least 290 hp and 310 ft lbs of torque, since that's a 15% increase over the current 2.0 EcoBoost. Of course for me and many others the V8 is the only way to go, though I can see the EcoBoost bringing in a lot of what would have been import buyers along with the Euro and Asian markets.

Chevrolet needs to step their game up considerably, and soon. I was never totally into the looks of the Camaro, but at least it had IRS which gave it an edge. They need to shave about 600 pounds off of it, make the bodywork smoother and more aerodynamic looking, and bring up the interior standards. If they do to it what they did with the Corvette, I think the Camaro will be a worthwhile contender to the new Mustang. I'm more of a GM guy, but unless they do something I think there finally might be a generation I like the Mustang more than the Camaro.


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post Dec 6, 2013 - 12:26 PM
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I didn't like the look at first but like the C7 Corvette, the more I looked at it the more I started to like it. I'm glad Ford had the balls to go forward with the design instead of trying to be retro. It's also nice to see Ford finally giving the Mustang IRS. I know some are against it but in my opinion it's a very welcomed change. Hopefully we'll get another awesome model like the Boss 302.


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post Dec 6, 2013 - 3:28 PM
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The '99-04 Cobra had IRS, but most people ditched it in favour of the solid rear... I think most of the people complaining are the ones that only drag race. Outside of drag racing, IRS is much better. Supposedly there's already talk of a "Voodoo" twin turbo V8 for what I'd guess would be the Cobra or Shelby model.


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post Dec 6, 2013 - 8:04 PM
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From the horses mouth, the 4 banger will have more hp and tq than the v6. http://youtu.be/-dbi9hM-RWk


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post Dec 8, 2013 - 9:24 PM
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Intriguing. Curious to see as to what everyone ends up buying engine wise.


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post Dec 9, 2013 - 7:43 AM
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QUOTE (Box @ Dec 8, 2013 - 8:24 PM) *
Intriguing. Curious to see as to what everyone ends up buying engine wise.

I've heard a lot of people through a couple forums, that are planning on getting one, are going to be going for the 4turbo. Hardly anyone is talking about the v6. I'm curious to see what actually happens as well.



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post Dec 9, 2013 - 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (Box @ Dec 6, 2013 - 3:28 PM) *
The '99-04 Cobra had IRS, but most people ditched it in favour of the solid rear... I think most of the people complaining are the ones that only drag race. Outside of drag racing, IRS is much better. Supposedly there's already talk of a "Voodoo" twin turbo V8 for what I'd guess would be the Cobra or Shelby model.


Correction: the '99 Cobra had IRS and people were almost constantly dropping the solid rear for the IRS.

The 2015 is great and horrible in many ways. Love the IRS. Hate that the rear quarters look like the Camaro, they dropped the iconic side vents, and the aston style grill. However, i love the idea of the turbo 4-cyl. Thanks Ford for bringing back the 240SX.

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post Dec 10, 2013 - 2:17 AM
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Depends on what you used it for, a lot of people went to solid rear for drag racing. Circuit car you'd obviously want IRS.

Overall though I think it's an improvement and for the better, can't stay retro themed forever. The current Mustang doesn't have side-vents as standard, so odds are they'll be optional for the new model as well.


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post Dec 10, 2013 - 2:43 AM
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Being a car enthusiast in general and not specifically a Mustang enthusiast, I personally feel that this change is a big step in the right direction for Ford. The retro thing worked well for a while but the demographic that they were trying to appeal to is typically shopping for Cadillacs and Lincolns instead of small sporty cars. They need to start appealing to a younger crowd, and that means big changes to the car. Who knows, the Ecoboost engine may prove to be VERY tunable in the right hands, but nobody has really tried so far since it hasn't been offered in anything "sporty." The Focus isn't sporty. Sorry ricers.

I believe the IRS will be a very valuable addition as well. Ford made the live rear axle work for as long as they could. Some people feel that it's what made a Mustang, a Mustang. Just like Datsun/Nissan Z's as well as Supras are 6 cylinder cars- no four bangers or V8's. However, the live rear axle is pretty outdated and I think Mustangs will start to show some great numbers on the track with the new IRS.

Will I buy one? No. But I do like where Ford is headed with this car and I can't wait to see what car enthusiasts do with them.


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post Dec 10, 2013 - 3:46 AM
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I cant wait to see Box in one,.


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post Dec 15, 2013 - 7:46 PM
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QUOTE (Box @ Dec 6, 2013 - 1:15 PM) *
Chevrolet needs to step their game up considerably, and soon. I was never totally into the looks of the Camaro, but at least it had IRS which gave it an edge. They need to shave about 600 pounds off of it, make the bodywork smoother and more aerodynamic looking, and bring up the interior standards. If they do to it what they did with the Corvette, I think the Camaro will be a worthwhile contender to the new Mustang. I'm more of a GM guy, but unless they do something I think there finally might be a generation I like the Mustang more than the Camaro.


I sat in the rear seat of the Camaro; It felt exactly like sitting in the rear seat of my 6gc, all crammed.


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Space isn't the issue, it's the materials and workmanship. The interior of the Celica is nice all things considered though, then again it was an expensive car for what it was back in the day. The dash is vinyl wrapped as are the door panels and some of the other pieces. Then the rest of the paneling is plastic, but that's to be expected in all but the most expensive of cars. Even the cloth seats aren't cheap, high quality cloth with patterned inserts. With new cars everything is plastic and cheap, you're lucky to get the "soft touch" rubberized stuff instead of cheap hard plastic. The Camaro uses the rubberized material in most spots, but it just looks cheap. The new Mustang looks much better, with a lot of things being leather wrapped or brushed (REAL) aluminum. I'm sure that's also for the leather package only, but still it's available. The only thing changed with the Camaro is the seats, and then they don't look all that great. Of course the Mustang since the 90's has been a step ahead interior wise over the F-body twins. I know they're muscle cars, but there's no excuse to cheap out so much on interior. I'm glad to see Ford is correcting that with the new Mustang and now Chevrolet with the Stingray Corvette. I just hope Chevrolet takes that same attitude with the Corvette and applies it to the next Camaro.

As far as buying one, I just remembered I could get a C5 Corvette instead for much less. Black on black liftback with the 6-speed, mmm....

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