 front drive celica to rear wheel, can you do it |
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 Jan 12, 2004 - 10:15 AM
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i was skimming through the forums and saw a topic on converting US spec celicas to all wheel drive using the all-trac drivetrain. i read that the possibility of the conversion working was slim to none. i thought it would be easier to convert it to rear wheel drive using the old jdm corolla(AE86) drivetrain. i was wondering if this was more feasible than all wheel drive.
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Jan 12, 2004 - 10:40 AM
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Enthusiast  Joined Nov 18, '02 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
This is one of those questions that can be answered by saying with enough money anything is possible. The problem people have had with the AWD conversion is getting the rear end on correctly and keeping it alligned, so you'd probably run into similar problems with the AE86 parts also. It would most likely be incredibly expensive to do it correctly, but it would be awesome it see it done. Good luck to you if you want and plan to do it.
BTW, for the AWD conversion to work, you need all the parts from a ST205 chassis, including all the floorpans from it must be swapped in place of the yours. The difficultly of doing the conversion correctly is many times way understated, so be forewarned. |
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Jan 13, 2004 - 2:25 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you could also take a plasma-cutter and cut out holes in the floor pan for the rear dif and weld in some bent up sheet metal, so the ST205 floor isnt necessary. actually using the AE86 drivetrain isnt a bad idea, cuz you could probably swap the 4AGZE motor in at the same time and link it to the 86's transmission and drivetrain, but you may need a different sized driveshaft, which inst too difficult to get, you just need to get the correct yolks fitted and balanced.... hmm... you would probably need to cut up some space down the center of the car as well for the driveshaft. the complete rear end would be a full custom job becuase you are switching from a IRS to a solid axle... weld up some new mounts, just gotta be real careful with the alignment. motor setup would be a complete custom job as well since you are switching from a trans. mounted engine to a vert setup. overall not a bad idea, but LOTS of customizing.
id say feasably the AWD swap would probably be a little easier since the motor will still be trans. mounted, and theres already a production car with that setup. --------------------  Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Jan 13, 2004 - 3:31 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
if you do that your better off starting out with stripping the car... and getting to just the frame.. and working up from there... that would make lining everthing up alot simpler...
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Jan 13, 2004 - 3:46 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
oh most definatly. you dont want anything in the car. get the motor/ammenities in and situated w/ the tranny on, then work your way back to the rear diff., setup the suspension in the back, then do the front suspension, fuel tank and fuel lines, ignition system and battery, exhaust and intake systems then work your way in from there. next situate the shifter, work out the wiring, reinstall the dashing, situate and install the gauges, hook up the pedals, powersteering, braking system, ECU, get the steering column setup double check everything is plugged in and try firing it up. if it doesnt work, figure out the problem, get that thing fired up. then put the interior back togeather, and enjoy a RWD 4agze powered Celica. just that easy isnt it john???  if only... eh?
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Jan 13, 2004 - 4:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
oh yea one more thing you might want to ad roll cage for reenforcement cause your are going to be changing the stress points on the frame.. and remeber everthing is harder the first time you do it... -------------------- |
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Jan 13, 2004 - 9:49 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 7, '04 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i wish celicas were rwd
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Jan 13, 2004 - 10:59 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
buy an mr2 !
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Jan 13, 2004 - 1:50 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
there ya go, lol as for rwd convsrsion, the firewall would definately have to go, i was compairing my car, side by side to my uncles 92 240sx. with custom mounts you could adapt the rear suspension to work(cut a hole in the trunk floor pan too) problem with a rwd only setup is that you have to chage the way the engine is mounted, and that gives you an engine and tranny setup that wont fit because the firewall is in the way. awd would be easier, since all the parts fit once you swap out the floor pan in the trunk. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Jan 13, 2004 - 3:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Lake Orion, MI Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Hmm...
Silvia Supra AE86 MX5 RX7 IS300 All reasonably available cars with RWD that you could get and be very unique and cool with. -------------------- -Mike
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Jan 13, 2004 - 5:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
good point lets count off the AWD turbo 2dr cars 1st gen dsm 2nd gen dsm st165 st185 certainly a smaller list, and all four are not easy to find. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Jan 13, 2004 - 6:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the firewall wont have to go. you can bend it up out of the way with a sledgehammer to fit the tranny in underneith the car. and you can also mount it so the motor and tranny sit lower in the engine bay so it actually clears it. the point is if you have the money and know how to do it, you probably can. but yea, its so much easier to buy a car already setup like that... but not everyone wants to take the easy route.
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Jan 13, 2004 - 7:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '03 From Vancouver, Canada! Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
then take the same sledge hammer and give the gas tank a couple good wacks.... after thats done...... have a smoke!
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Jan 13, 2004 - 7:46 PM
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Or flip the motor around... |
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Jan 13, 2004 - 7:47 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the fire wall is just a sheet of metal can be cut after everthing is in... this is was you strip the car and start on the frame... you build around that...
you might want to go in this order Frame Supspension Engine/trasmmisiion electrical interior chasie body panles this way stuff like the firewall won't be a problem -------------------- |
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Jan 13, 2004 - 9:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the firewall is part of the unibody, i guess you could punch out the spotwelds and remove it, but i really dont think its necessary.
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Jan 13, 2004 - 9:25 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Bolt a tube frame to the floor pans and weld it in everywhere you can find. Bolt all of your major rear end parts to the new frame, and you can cut any part of the floor pan out you need. The tube frame will keep everything straight.
The problem with the RWD set up is getting the speedo to work. I think all four tires are used on celicas to get the speed, that means you have to deal with the back two sensors. I personally would use the rear wheel bearings and suspension parts of a GT-4 ST-205, I am sure that would be easier to get than the whole rear end. Out of curiosity, were the early supras I6's? |
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Jan 13, 2004 - 9:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
some one help me out here but isn't the speed sensore located on inside the transmission ???
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Jan 13, 2004 - 9:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
sorry but i dont think you are correct FallenHero. there is one speed sensor that bolts into the tranny. the reading from that sensor is what tells your speedo how fast you are going.
i think your are thinking of the antilock brakes speed sensors that are located around the wheels. those are just there to determin if one of the wheels is slipping -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Jan 13, 2004 - 11:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 14, '02 From Chicago Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
any changes to the firewall are absolutely illegal
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