98 and Up 3S-GTE, ST215 Options

[Guest_Matthew_*]

Has anybody ever heard of the ST215. It supposedly has 260hp. I'm not sure about torque or anything else but here is the link. You will have to scroll down just a little and check out the pics too. It is from venus auto. They don't have it yet but what is it. A 4th gen 3S-GTE or is just another name for the group A engine?

Matt

[west_minist]

It is a japanese wagon. The Caldina.

The wagon maybe heavier than the celica. If so, a little more HP and torque to competeagain the Subaru wagons will ne need.

Vehicle weight (kg) 1,480
Gross vehicle weight (kg) 1,755

Picture http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyot...rior/index.html

It maybe the same engine with a little more boost. The specs says it look the same. It might have a little more refinements.

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This post has been edited by west_minist: Jan 22, 2003 - 10:12 AM

[west_minist]

The new Celica for 2004 will have a new engine.

word is that there are bring back the 3SGE engine.

I believe that this engine will be 3SGE VVT-I D4 & 3SGTE VVT-i D4.

Lets pressure the Toyota dealers to notify Toyota Japan that you need a Toyota like the Honda vtec.

Toyotas are way better than honda, The hondas comes ready to compete. Toyotas have to be prepared.

Lets make a shout out for VVTL-i D4 (D for direct Fuel injection like in diesel engines)

[jayi12-15psi]

well if toyota brings back the 3s-ge, does that mean the return of the 3s-gte- if so, will it be considered the 5th gen 3sgte? if it is maybe a whole new line of engines will be available for swapping.

What do you think?

[west_minist]

That would be expected.

If so, then I am buying a 7 gen celica.

[1_Winged_Angel]

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[jayi12-15psi]

QUOTE

west_minist Posted on Jan 22 2003, 11:46 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That would be expected. If so, then I am buying a 7 gen celica.

I meant swapping a new 3sge into a 6th gen

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (jayi12-15psi @ Jan 22 2003, 02:46 PM)

I meant swapping a new 3sge into a 6th gen

if it is a 3sge, then you could, but new engines of cars that are currently in production are really really $$. like a 7th GTS engine willl go for about 10K easy right now.

[west_minist]

Yeah. That would be good.

But here in Barbados, you could only bring in cars that are 4yrs and up.

High charlie97L.

Any update on the post?

I personnally think that toyota went mad when it produce the celica engines for the 7gen.

These engines are crap.

To me, all that there are pushing at you is VVT-i link if we do not know about it.

How could you complete with VTEC when you are using VVT-i and not the VVTL-i?

Well, thats toyota. It takes them some time to learn.

That is why everyone is looking forward to the 2004 models. I hope there do come right this time

This post has been edited by west_minist: Jan 22, 2003 - 8:32 PM

[jayi12-15psi]

10k? whoa thats outta my price range, just a little bit, I had no Idea they were that expensive

[Drunken_Style]

west_minist I highly doubt that Toyota would change the engine in the middle of a production cycle. If they start using the 3S-GTE or the 3S-GE it would most likely be in the 8 gen Celica. It wouldn't be cost effective and then they would piss off all the people with the 2zz engine. My cousin who works for Toyota said he didn't think the next gen Celica will be out until late 2004 as a 2005 model.

[west_minist]

That sound right.

But as you can see, the 2zz just ain't cutting it.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

i don't think so either. when i first got my celica i raced a 7th gen and wasted him. he even had a stick and mine is auto. he had exhaust too.

[west_minist]

So do you agree with me? 2ZZ is a waste of time or just the toyota is waiting to come out with a big one?

2ZZ should be doing well over 200HP.

The 4AGE 20v Blact top is very easy to get to 200HP.

Why is it this 2ZZ cannot make the 200hp from factory.

Toyota need to take this Honda/Toyota war seriously. I believe the problem is that someone thinks that because the celica looks like the Intrega, there both are the same.

I am finished with this topic. It is getting me annoyed.

Enjoy everyone

[Drunken_Style]

I think the 2ZZ engine is very capable motor, I just think Toyota made the engine to compete with Honda's VTEC. I've seen some turbo ones that are crazy as hell but just like the Honda B & K series engines none of them have any low end torque. I also think that it was a mistake when Toytoa built the Ulitmate Celica and put the 3S-GTE engine in it instead of using the current 2ZZ engine because they aren't showing support for the current engine. Anyways I don't think Toyota should of wasted the money developing the 2ZZ & 1ZZ engines when the could of just used the 3S-GTE OR 3S-GE engine and just made some improvements. Just my opinion.

[west_minist]

I do not know if the the 2zz carries the same head and block as the SG! Hence the reason for the 2ZZ development.

I do not see the reason to come with the 2ZZ when they had a very good race proven engine of toyota history that I am aware of.

The 2JZ was build off the SG (from what I hear). I can understand generations of 2ZZ, but this is the first generation of the engine.

I could also understand is the 2ZZ was detune to 170hp or what ever that rediculous # it is. It would be nice to see that the air intake and the exhaust was a very restrictive system, hence <200hp.

Just a few mods and 220 or so. well

There should have the 2zz in the GT and 5th gen or whatever 3SGE w/ VVTL-i in the GT-S model.

3SGE IV 99-00 86.0 86.0 1998 11.0 210 7600 ALTEZZA DVVTi
3SGE IV 98-99 86.0 86.0 1998 11.0 200 7000 CEL. SSIII ST202

I believed that all would agree with me on this matter.

To make things even sound better, there should have a 3SGE VVTL-i w/ 256 -262 degree cams w/ TRD (Flywheel, clutch & pressure plate) w/ the ability to rev to 9K+ - 10Krpm, redline at 8K+ rpm due to the L in the VVTL-i kicking in.

That would be fun

Yeah I love it. That is why I want the 1999 Toyota Celica SIII

Yeah!

This post has been edited by west_minist: Jan 26, 2003 - 2:39 PM

[boosted_K2]

i couldnt see this happening, theyre going to keep the celica as economy as possable, that way they'll leave the performance up to the new supra.

[Drunken_Style]

If they come out with the new Supra it supposely won't have the 2JZ-GTE engine in it anymore. From what most mags are saying it will have either a V6 or V8 in it. They are even supposely getting rid of the 2JZ-GE that's in the IS300 for a V6 in 2004 or 2005. If they put a V8 in the new Supra I don't know if I'll buy one. The Supra has always been about technology, I think putting in a V8 is taking a step backwards unless it puts out at least 100 hp per liter.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

toyota V8. That's stupid. When it comes to import racing it's all about having small engines that waste the big ones. I don't think that they will put a V8 in a supra. They should definitely stick with the 2JZ-GTE and the 2JZ-GTE VVT-I

[snadman]

Toyota's been disspointing lately.

The 7th gen, personally, I feel was a waste of time. The car is slower than a rotting log and has nothing new and innovative which is NOT Toyota style at all!

They also quit the Supra line for a few years and are still unsure about bring it back, which makes me mad. Their one high end import performance type car....and they decide to stop the line for a few years if not forever.

NOW, this talk about putting a v8 in the Supra! If they do that, then I feel that their purpose is trying to compete with the Trans-Am sports cars of today....such as the Mustang which totally defeats Toyota's purpose and is YES definitely a step back. The Supra fits in the price range with the RX series of Mazda. With the new RX8 sporting a 440hp twin turbo option, Toyota needs to get their act together and get the Supra or something like it that can compete with that car....so they will be able to keep some business with people spending that kind of money for a sports car.

Also, the MR2 is rather disspointing as of late. I drove the newer MR2, and it doesn't have that get-up-n-go feel that the older ones had. I drove an older with a turbo a few months ago when I saw it on the side of the road for sale. It was too much for my checkbook, but it was way more fun to drive than the newer one.

My feelings are that this whole import war has a new competitor...Mazda.

Go drive the new Mazda 6s. You'll see what I mean.

Now go through the dealership while you're there and look at how many of the newer cars have automatics and which have manuals...compare that to a Toyota dealership. As I walked through a local Toyota dealership's lot I was looking for the Celica with a stick and the only one I found was a 91 GT. I looked throug the V6 Camry's and a stick? No! Matrix? Not a one! MAZDA - Hmmm....only five of the 20 Mazda 6 cars they had there were autos. Mazda is going to be a new appeal to the import scene and these are pieces of evidence that show it.

Toyota really needs to just look at where the money is right now. Keep their stupid SUV roll-me-over things automatic...mom's drive those and like automatics....that's the same reaosn why 80% of the V6 Mustangs that are sold have automatics....cuz Mom's that wanna feel young drive em. BUT, the Celica, MR2, and Supra...people who want the sports car appeal and performance without killing their budget is where the money is. The Celica was made to be a sports car that would be economical...so it's never going to be a true performer because that would defeat its purpose....but the MR2 needs some gusto and the Supra NEEDS to get its ass going to compete with the newer more expensive and powerful sports cars of today like the RX8 and others.

Later all, again thanks for listen to my ranting.

This post has been edited by snadman: Jan 27, 2003 - 12:06 AM