 2nd or 3rd Gen 3sgte, which 3sgte Gen for 95 Celica st |
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 Jan 26, 2004 - 7:50 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 26, '04 From Las Vegas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
Just wondering what Gen of the 3sgte engine is should use in my 95 celica st. Im still uncertain between the two. Also If anyone has any other advise please let me know.
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Jan 26, 2004 - 7:53 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
2nd Gen. Ease of part location is, what i think, a major factor. And just upgrade from there.
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Jan 26, 2004 - 7:58 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I honestly don't think you needed to start a poll for this. What are your main concerns that's preventing you from deciding b/w one from the other? Cost? Accessibility of parts? Installation? |
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Jan 26, 2004 - 11:18 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 26, '04 From Las Vegas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well none of those are a problem just torn between the two so i decided to see what everyone else thinks.
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Jan 26, 2004 - 11:57 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If you have no concerns either way...go for 3rd gen then lol...more power. That is if you don't ahve any concerns such as money, ease of getting the parts, etc.
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Jan 27, 2004 - 12:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 18, '02 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I only voted for 3rd gen if cost wasn't a factor, I'd say do some more searching in aroung in the forums before you base your decsion on this pole though.
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Jan 27, 2004 - 12:34 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '03 From Miami, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
3rd gen all the way, most parts are interchangable with 2nd. it is expensive, spent 2300 on it here....
the big question actually is: mr2 engine or gt-4 engine: mr2 tranny, Gt tranny, camry v6 tranny. mr2 engine, you gonna need an intercooler for, but comes with a nice LSD tranny, gt-4 engine, comes with w/a intercooler, and a useless tranny. |
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Jan 27, 2004 - 2:42 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well, obviously, if those aren't concerns, then get the latest release of the motor... wouldn't that make sense? 
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Jan 27, 2004 - 2:42 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Like I said in a previous post, not ALL SW20's come with LSD... |
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Jan 27, 2004 - 3:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 26, '04 From Las Vegas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Im not going to base just on a poll I would be stupid to do that but im looking into each still and was just wondering what veryone else thinks of each engine.
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Jan 27, 2004 - 4:19 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
basically just what ever is going to be most cost effective, and which you can buy all from one source with the most complete parts list in the best condition. theres no sense buying a 3rd gen if it doesnt come with a wiring harness or if it doesnt have certain sensors. either one is a good motor, of course its nice to start out with a higher baseline, and with more updated technology, but i dont think youll be disappointed either way.
--------------------  Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Jan 27, 2004 - 11:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 31, '03 From Panama City Beach, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
i voted 2nd gen. do you know what 225+ hp in our light fwd cars is like (i don't) ?
but its gotta be nuts how fast it is, in my opinion, not experience, 225 is plenty and the 3s is so modable (not a word but you get the point) that you could have 250 easily. if i were going for the big dog swap i'd just go 2nd gen and enjoy doing small things to it down the road. |
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Jan 28, 2004 - 4:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 26, '04 From Las Vegas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
my goal is 310 whp over all at the moment and later maybe bring it up to 360-390. I know both engines can do that, also what would be the bast tranny to install on it.
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Jan 28, 2004 - 9:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 31, '03 From Panama City Beach, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
i have an s54 curren 2wd transmission with axles, wheel hub, clutch, and flywheel for $400 plus shipping. This trany will bolt right up to the 3s-gte and has the starter in the correct position so you don't have to swap bell housings. it came off of a 3s-ge so it can take your power goals no problem.
pm me if your interested. |
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Jan 28, 2004 - 9:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 26, '04 From Las Vegas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what else would be best when I Do my swap. Im wanna do everything at once so if anyone has a complete list of what i should do that would be awsome.
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Jan 28, 2004 - 9:54 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well go ahead and post up your list and we'll critique it for you
-------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Jan 29, 2004 - 3:17 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Swaps will vary... depending on how COMPLETE your clip is... READ the STICKIES in this forum... and you'll see what people have gone through, including myself... The only advice that I can give you is BE PREPARED for some down time. Again, swaps will vary and you'll never know what to expect. I also hope you have lots of patience should the worst of the worst happen *cough* like me *cough*... This post has been edited by kuya1284: Jan 29, 2004 - 3:23 AM |
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Jan 29, 2004 - 3:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 26, '04 From Las Vegas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yea I have read some bad things that have happened during the swap and sometimes how long it takes. THnaks for the advise.
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Feb 1, 2004 - 11:12 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 26, '04 From Las Vegas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
 Hey, I was just wondering what is everything I need to do the swap since I would like to get everything together then start the swap to reduce some time it takes to do the swap. I would hate to be waiting if I could avoid It. So If anyone can post a complete list of what I would need to get it running that would be awsome. I mean eveything so it can be installed and driven.
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Feb 1, 2004 - 11:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Everything you need....so it can be installed and driven..man
It would probably vary from the engine you get and what you get with it. But for starters just get a Front Clip. And the tranny you want. Installed and driven would be tough because you will have to wait a long time for the WIRING TO BE FINISHED and the WIRING is Pretty tough. If you do 3rd gen, I know that the few who have done it didn't have their cars for many months....and from what I remember Kuya was without car for a year or so...not sure hehe And then you got to do custom piping for exhaust and maybe IC. You probably want to go with Full Tune UP too. And then there are a lot of misc. parts like fuel pump, shifter cables, etc, but you can do a search on the forum and find a list of parts you need b/c cause there are a lot of posts and websites that can help you with this stuff. |
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