Where to find an E153? Options

[rdyzz]

Hey guys i'm thinking of swapping a 2grfe into my ae92, but i'm having a very very hard time finding an E153. My question is will it be worth it to find one, a year ago I rebuilt my s54 with a Quaife LSD and replaced some syncro's and worn gears. I may use the s54 for now, it just seems very difficult to find a FWD e153 and I can't find to much info on anyone's preference to the E53's. I don't drag race and I use my car mainly for hpde track events and autocross. However on the back of my mind I feel like why put an engine with good power in if I can't even abuse it without something breaking.

Also one big think that may make this swap hard is the amount of space I have, I know the 6th gen celica has way more room. I'm not to worried because cutting and welding isn't a problem.

here's what I mean by my space issue.



This post has been edited by rdyzz: Jan 18, 2015 - 3:38 AM

[Box]

Check out and see all of the trouble Norberto has been going through in order to get a 2GR to work with his 6GC, and you'll probably scream and pull out your hair as you run away. Really unless you're a sadist you're better off with the 1MZ/3MZ. To answer the question at hand, any V6 Camry/Solara with the 5-speed has the E153. So does the MR2 Turbo, but it'd take some re-configuring to work. If you get really lucky you'll find a V6 5-speed Camry for cheap to use as a donor.

Also, thanks for giving me another idea for an economical daily. I had forgotten about the AE92.

[rdyzz]

Thanks for the reply, I did read norberto's post. It does seem like a bit of work and even more hurdles. After reading his post I can only assume that IF I do go through with the swap the challenge with space will be two folds of norberto's. As it stands the 3s alternator is very close to my hood. I also don't like the idea that the 2gr is 1" closer to the ground, but near 300whp and gobs of unuseable fwd torque makes it very appealing as a next step up engine, especially in this day and age when a angry soccer mom with a honda odyssea or toyota sieanna can leave a blank look on your face.

As for finding a newer camry/solora transmission ive look for 2 months onlkne now but none to be found. I can however find the early e53 from 3vz camrys. But as said theres not much info on their use as a swap.

This post has been edited by rdyzz: Jan 18, 2015 - 2:08 PM

[Box]

Check out what Smaay has done with the MZ series, has pretty solid numbers and plenty of info on the swap.

Or do what I did and go V8 RWD, soccer moms be damned.

[rdyzz]

Im sure the 1mz is smaller than the 2gr, I found out that the 2gr is 30in wide front to back. My engine bay is 31in from firewall to radiator support. The thought is cutting a small section of the firewall by where the ac lines go in. Moving the engine forward 2in, cutting and making a new radiator support. Maybe even mounting the radiator in front or using a half size honda style radiator.

[Box]

From what I remember when I read through the threads for a GT the only thing needed was a custom motor mounts as far as physically getting it into the car goes.

[Smaay]

hav you looked on car-part.com? thats where i found my E153.

on a side note, if you havent seen the other 1MZ swap i did, i used a stock S54 and even on the 1MZ it hauled ass! Im real curious to see what numbers it makes. the MZ swap is so much easier than a 2GR, it there is no fitment issues

This post has been edited by Smaay: Jan 18, 2015 - 11:28 PM

[rdyzz]

Thanks, that site is awesome smaay. Now im putting this v6 in a ae92 corolla so my engine bay is smaller than a 6gc. A guy has done a 1mz in his corolla before, his site name was ozone or something like that. He did clear the 1mz, except had to modify the sucframe cause the driver side axle was touching the section of subframe were the control arm mounted. The manifold clear his firewall by .5 in or so. He used the existing mounts via the 4agze transmission, had he pulled the engine forward I dont see that problem.

Smaay will the s54 hold on a 1mz? It feels kinda a waste since I just rebuilt it to not use it. Also is there a link on that 1mz build, I found a lot of things posted by you but no build. Thanks.

[Smaay]

its not my thread. http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=92362

yes the S54 will hold the 1MZ with no problems. In fact, im taking my E153 out and swapping in an S54 with the S51 5th gear. The E153 is going in the GF's car with the 3rd gen 3S-GTE.

[Box]

A lot of people use the S54 with the 3S-GTE into the 300+ range, so as long as everything is kosher and you don't abuse it you should be fine. Main thing is improving the clutch.

[rdyzz]

Sorry I know this is a celica site, but here is the guy that did a 1mz in his corolla or in the process anyways. http://ozone2000.com/corolla_v6_engine_swap.html

Thanks box and smaay, do you guys by chance know if the torque makes up for the extra 1000rpm it losses switching from the beams to the 1mzfe? I drove a 98' 5spd camry v6 once and I loved how it was, its a different animal than the very common auto v6 camrys, but one thing that really is a hard sell for me on the 1mz is its very close in hp to the beams 3sge that I already have. I don't know how much of an improvement the broader powerband will be. I want it cause of the torque for out of the hole in cornering, but I'm wondering if that extra 1000rpm is that much a difference.

I'm kinda getting tired of ordering stuff oversea's for the 3s, I already know how to work on the 1mz also. The power the 2gr makes is what I like about it, but it does seem to have its problems also.

smaay and box have your guys driven both a beams and a v6, I'd like to know what your take on those are. Thanks.

[rdyzz]

Thanks again guys for pointing me in the right direction, I ended up going with a 2grfe.

[njccmd2002]

ouch!!! that wiring loom was cut, in the most akward place. lots of wire to replace and shielded ones. cant tell if the vvt lines are rubber, or steel.

if you are the first one doing this swap on the ae92.

Ive seen people adapting a s54 to this thing. Not sure if they have lasted. the torque on the engine, is very high.

your biggest issue will be space, especially hood clearance. the beams in your pic is setting at same distance in firewall as it would sit on the celica. dont know how much space you have in the front.

if i were you. I would get the ecu from RAV4 thats non immobilized, and the engine harness. Its a pain in the ass to extend 100 wires, and make it right. Id go back and get the right harness. and avoid the headache.

[Smaay]

I have never driven a BEAMS car. I have driven my 3MZ and the 1MZ that i swapped. Personally after seeing how much work njccmd2002 has in his, I would avoid the 2GR. yeah its an awesome engine, but it takes a lot of work.

[Box]

May god have mercy on your soul.

[njccmd2002]

look, if i had to do it again, id spend the 300 for the right harness, and leave the ecu in the engine bay where it belongs, and save a lot of trouble, lol. from then on, its easier. lol...

[rdyzz]

ouch!!! that wiring loom was cut, in the most akward place. lots of wire to replace and shielded ones. cant tell if the vvt lines are rubber, or steel.

if you are the first one doing this swap on the ae92.

Ive seen people adapting a s54 to this thing. Not sure if they have lasted. the torque on the engine, is very high.

your biggest issue will be space, especially hood clearance. the beams in your pic is setting at same distance in firewall as it would sit on the celica. dont know how much space you have in the front.

if i were you. I would get the ecu from RAV4 thats non immobilized, and the engine harness. Its a pain in the ass to extend 100 wires, and make it right. Id go back and get the right harness. and avoid the headache.

I actually ordered a 2007 rav4 harness and none immobilized 2007 rav4 ecu. The engine is a 2010 from an avalon with 50k miles on it, I was able to source a e153 thanks to smaay and box. When I decided to do this swap I made sure I had the resolve to see it through. I didn't want to give up my rebuilt s54 but I didn't want a transmission that was not able to hold the power since when I track the car I drive it hard. I was able to mount the transmission to the engine today. I'll be tig welding a new cross-member and some mounts, I mocked up a fake engine out of steel bars and mounted it to the transmission to see where I need to move the transmission forward, back, up or down to get the most amount of room and still have decent axle angle. Its easier to work with just the weight of the transmission mounted to a steel bar frame, its pretty good cause it does give me a very clear idea or where its going to need to sit.

I think im along the lines of what njccmd2002 said, this may be the last engine I do on this car so I wanted something that was a challenge. I enjoyed the beams cause to me it did have just the right amount of power to drive the car 10/10, but i wanted torque and power for street driving so thats why I decided this.

This post has been edited by rdyzz: Feb 1, 2015 - 1:02 AM

[Box]

Good luck and keep us posted! Should start a project thread in the off topic section of the site.

[Smaay]

you are going to love this engine so much more than the BEAMS

[mi645]

2gr is def, 1 of toyotas beefiest engines lol, i struggle with them everyday hahaha