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post Aug 3, 2015 - 4:26 PM
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Hey guys, I am doing a manual swap in my 95 gt convertible. I now have my parts car, but I am very stressed out trying to decide what clutch to get. I wi be boosting it as well, around 8 psi. Any thoughts on what clutch kit to get for my soon to be 5sfte??? I've been looking at the stage 2 clutch kits on ebay, (xtr, ufc, ppc, fx, emc) these are all around $100, and say the can handle about 268 hp, 248 lbs of torque.

I've seen ppl online saying ebay clutches are junk, n others saying they are not....I would appreciate any input or experiences anyone has had. I've also looked a bit into Exedy, ACT, and Competition Clutch. Any input on these as well? Are they worth the extra $300??

I will be driving my car around town, not any race tracks. I dont want it too gabby to where it's annoying to drive in stop n go traffic, but I don't want it slipping at all under boost when I get on it. Please anyone's input, I'm driving myself nuts trying to decide!!
post Aug 3, 2015 - 7:24 PM
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For the love of all that is good don't buy an eBay clutch. I believe what most people end up doing is making a hybrid clutch based on the 3S-GTE. Someone here that's been there and done that should be able to tell you exactly what to get.


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post Aug 3, 2015 - 7:51 PM
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Get an Exedy clutch and an OEM throw out bearing and you'll be good for quite some time.
post Aug 3, 2015 - 8:29 PM
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QUOTE (Lamont @ Aug 3, 2015 - 8:51 PM) *
Get an Exedy clutch and an OEM throw out bearing and you'll be good for quite some time.


Which exedy clutch would be sufficient? And would I get the exedy pressure plate too? The exedy clutches are hard to find for this car...anyone know a good place to get one?
post Aug 3, 2015 - 8:39 PM
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The only Exedy clutch I can find for my car is the exedy oem...but I would guess that wouldn't be able to handle the extra torque when I boost it. Where can I get a stage 1 or 2?
post Aug 3, 2015 - 8:44 PM
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Act makes great clutches in general and ones that can hold boost for 5sfe. Go to acts website and get the part number they can be found on eBay/amazon new for around 250-400 depending on what act clutch you choose. They are all rated differently and tell you the specs some are oe replacent others are street ect... Plus act is a great clutch. EBay is horrible lol.

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post Aug 3, 2015 - 8:53 PM
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QUOTE (Jmk91 @ Aug 3, 2015 - 9:44 PM) *
Act makes great clutches in general and ones that can hold boost for 5sfe. Go to acts website and get the part number they can be found on eBay/amazon new for around 250-400 depending on what act clutch you choose. They are all rated differently and tell you the specs some are oe replacent others are street ect... Plus act is a great clutch. EBay is horrible lol.


I did find a couple Act clutches. One is a heavy duty street sprung (hdss) and the other is a sport performance street sprung (spss). Any ideas on if either of these would be a good choice, or which is better?
post Aug 3, 2015 - 9:25 PM
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ACT clutches have gone to crap. their quality and customer service is junk. Southbend clutches have held up and I have one in every one of my cars.


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post Aug 3, 2015 - 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 3, 2015 - 10:25 PM) *
ACT clutches have gone to crap. their quality and customer service is junk. Southbend clutches have held up and I have one in every one of my cars.


Ohhh I was unaware the quality went down. Not shocking what hasnt went down in quality now a days.
post Aug 3, 2015 - 10:33 PM
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 3, 2015 - 10:25 PM) *
ACT clutches have gone to crap. their quality and customer service is junk. Southbend clutches have held up and I have one in every one of my cars.


Southbend has recently caught my eye, is this a higher end brand? I was looking at the southbend stage 2 daily drive kit, rated at 225 lbs for about $300, and the stage 2 extreme rated at 300 lbs for about $400. Any thoughts on which would be better for me? I don't want to have a higher performance clutch than I need. I want to try to keep the feel smooth and as close to stock as I can, as I will be driving in town a lot.
post Aug 4, 2015 - 9:19 AM
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QUOTE (JohnnyGat0519 @ Aug 3, 2015 - 10:33 PM) *
QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 3, 2015 - 10:25 PM) *
ACT clutches have gone to crap. their quality and customer service is junk. Southbend clutches have held up and I have one in every one of my cars.


Southbend has recently caught my eye, is this a higher end brand? I was looking at the southbend stage 2 daily drive kit, rated at 225 lbs for about $300, and the stage 2 extreme rated at 300 lbs for about $400. Any thoughts on which would be better for me? I don't want to have a higher performance clutch than I need. I want to try to keep the feel smooth and as close to stock as I can, as I will be driving in town a lot.

Correction, the 2nd southbend is stage 2 endurance, not extreme

post Aug 4, 2015 - 11:10 AM
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Southbend, that's the one I was thinking of. The stage 2 should be enough unless you're just overly abusive. Comp Clutch is good as well, but expensive.

Which I have noticed the Comp Clutches rattle a lot, at least on the Genesis where it went from a dual mass flywheel to a single mass anyway.


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post Aug 4, 2015 - 11:35 AM
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if you are staying all motor, no boost, then you only need the stage 1 clutch. dont spend more money than you have to.


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post Aug 4, 2015 - 11:36 AM
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He said in the first post was doing 8 psi, otherwise I'd have said to get an O.E. Exedy replacement for $100 and change.


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post Aug 4, 2015 - 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (Box @ Aug 4, 2015 - 11:10 AM) *
Southbend, that's the one I was thinking of. The stage 2 should be enough unless you're just overly abusive. Comp Clutch is good as well, but expensive.

Which I have noticed the Comp Clutches rattle a lot, at least on the Genesis where it went from a dual mass flywheel to a single mass anyway.


Does anyone know which Southbend stage 2 would be better for me? Stage 2 daily with 225 lbs torque capacity, or the stage 2 endurance with 295 lbs torque capacity?
post Aug 4, 2015 - 8:21 PM
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southbend and comp clutches


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post Aug 5, 2015 - 12:07 AM
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The stock 5S makes 145 ft lbs, figure in 8 pounds with the "typical" 6% increase per psi and you're at 205 ft lbs. Which coincidentally is less than the 1MZ Lamont has with his O.E. Exedy clutch. Kurt95, another 1MZ swap, also used a Southbend clutch like Smaay if I recall correctly.


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post Aug 5, 2015 - 1:11 AM
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just get the daily use one. you dont need 300lbs of torque hold. 224 is enough


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post Aug 5, 2015 - 9:11 AM
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I saw in the dyno results page, and it seemed that some people with similar set ups were pushing 250-270 lbs at the wheels. Are they doing something more, or should I expect high torque results? Also the 225 lbs capacity is at the crank. I have now seen the have a stage 3 daily, which is more for daily drive, but has a 300 lb capacity. I spoke with Dave at Southbend, and he pointed me towards this one, because I was not sure what to expect for torque results. This one sounds good, but is $250 more!! And I don't want to spend that if I don't need to. What kind of torque should I expect with my projected set up????

Stock 5sfe
3sgte twin entry ct26 turbo, manifold, map sensor, oil pan
3" aftermarket downpipe
Custom 3" exhaust
2 1/2" intercooler piping with front mount intercooler
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Factory fuel pump
Greddy emanage blue, dyno tuned
8-10 psi
post Aug 5, 2015 - 9:12 PM
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I just put a phoenix friction clutch in my 95' GT. Got it off ebay for about $260 USD. It came with a new fly wheel and a 6 puck stage 3 disk clutch. The only thing I suggest is to keep the oem pressure plate beacuse I think this one is too weak. It holds fine but the petal is not hard enough I think.
http://www.phoenixfriction.com/p-24080.aspx

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