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 Feb 25, 2004 - 4:33 PM
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Enthusiast  Joined Feb 4, '04 From Tampa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
I had a 87 ST, and that was a fast, zippy car. I had to sell it and now i bouht an 95 ST. I assumed it would be faster or at least the same speed. However it is slow, a 87 is much faster in accelaration. Do I have a probelm with the engine? Or is this just the speed of the 6th gen STs??
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Feb 25, 2004 - 4:54 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The 87 ST had a very different engine. I think it was still an "A" series engine, i am not sure but maybe a 4AFE.
The 95 ST was pretty much built as an economic car, so yeah its probably slower for that reason. |
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Feb 25, 2004 - 5:50 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
your old car had this:
http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/3sfestats.htm your new car has this: http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/7afestats.htm |
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Feb 25, 2004 - 5:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 4, '04 From Tampa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well why did Toyota downgrade to the 7afe?
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Feb 25, 2004 - 6:05 PM
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Feb 25, 2004 - 6:55 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The 4th gen ST's had the 3sfe. I personally think they're a lot slower than 6th gen ST's... but that's my opinion. My ST is as fast as 6th gen GTs...
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1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Feb 25, 2004 - 7:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '03 From Vancouver, Canada! Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
right..... what mods?  i see that list..... you cant compare like that.... not fare to us non modded gt/gt-s now you need to think....if the gt had the same mods who would win? 
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Feb 25, 2004 - 8:53 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
 well i know the st is supposed to be slow, but lets remember the car isn't anything without a good driver.....like for instance with my practically stock at the time 96' ST. with nothing but a cold air and 17" rims(yea rims do nothing i know that) and really nice plugs....i abliterated a 7th gen. gt/gt-s (still not sure which one it was, but none the less he had a ton more mods on it then mine did) BUT the moral is that i CAN shift very well during a race....that freakin idiot couldn't shift to save his life so i won....so you can't compare car to car really...drivers matter too
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Feb 25, 2004 - 9:05 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i have to agree it's has to do more with the driver.... with my bone stock 95 ST (AT) i'm very quick off the line.. but thats just cause i know how to get all out of that engine and transmission. -------------------- |
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Feb 25, 2004 - 9:20 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 12, '03 From Chatham, Ont Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well there is a certain point where driving ability is going to become worthless. Basically with a good driver in an ST, you might keep up with a 130hp car that is being driven by a subpar driver.
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Feb 25, 2004 - 9:26 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Even if he had crappy shifting, I promise it wasn't a GT-S. The vvtl-i, the lift adds so much. The redline is way high and the powerband is way up there too. Unless he had an autostick but you said he was shifting. You most likely beat a GT not a GT-s.
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Feb 25, 2004 - 9:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I actualy out drove a GT once too, I dono if they are that slow, or they the drivers we encountered sucked that bad
course ours was kinda a log run along a road with turns and stuff so who could handel best had alot to do with it.
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Feb 25, 2004 - 9:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
ok so it must a been a gt, they sit at 160 HP...this guy had a full exhaust, and no doubt a lil more engine stuff to go along.....so i'm thinking the exhaust has to at least add 20hp so thats 180 HP bottom line.....i'm estimating this 7th gen was around 180-195HP...i dunno..but the only complaint against my ST is the freaking REDLINE how the heck do i get rid of it or make a switch to turn off my fule cut off....cause i got beat my a SVT focus just cause my redline was so low that he caugh back up when i shifted outta 1st into 2nd....thats where i lose races is cause the redline is too low
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Feb 25, 2004 - 10:28 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 12, '03 From Chatham, Ont Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Uhhh cough, I doubt it man, exhaust on a stock engine ads a cool sound and thats about it, and they sit at 130hp and thats with vvti, my moms matrix has the same engine and they arent very quick at all. The st as what 100hp? and less torque, its not going to beat much period with equal drivers.. This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Feb 25, 2004 - 10:30 PM |
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Feb 26, 2004 - 12:18 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 8, '03 From San Jose, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
7th gen Celica GT is 140hp stock. An exhaust ain't adding 20hp. 15% power gain with an exhaust on a 4cyl? Maybe with some stickers on there. A 96 ST has 105 HP stock. Let's add 8 years worth of wear and tear on the engine, and you're sub-100. Add your CAI and maybe you're at 100 again. Add your 2.5" exhaust to a 1.8L N/A engine and you're sub-100 again. Add heavy 17s and you slowed your car some more... plus any other visual mods you have on there weighing it down. If you were racing a 7th gen with 195HP you'd KNOW it -- with the ****tiest driver in the world, as long as he steps on the gas and made his shifts...he'd win. there is no way you'd take him, let alone obliterate him. My guess is he wasn't even racing. Sorry bro. - aba This post has been edited by abatardi: Feb 26, 2004 - 12:26 AM |
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Feb 26, 2004 - 12:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 8, '03 From San Jose, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the redline is there for a reason. so you don't blow up your engine when you start throwing shims out. Plus you aren't even making power that high (your peak power is at 5600 rpm). Why would you want to go even higher where the power just drops off faster? - aba |
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Feb 26, 2004 - 1:29 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
and GT-S's normally make 160ish at the wheels...
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Feb 26, 2004 - 2:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Aye... however, their auto tranny gearing sucks ass, so they're only 17 second cars. Also note, there are slight tuning/ECU differences between the various versions of the 1zzfe. The celica would have probably the most tuned between the Corolla, Matrix, and MR-S. All of them, aside from the Matrix and Rolla have different HP ratings. A 7th Gen GT, I'd say, is slightly quicker than a 6th gen GT because of the engine design and how they deliver their power. The 5SFE's are pretty flat beyond 5k or so... As for my ST... heh... i'm not gonna make any crazy claims, but I did run a 16.7 (which is the rough average stock GT time) with bad tuning and exhaust leaks (one at the header and another at the muffler). Not making excuses, so I'll just post a timeslip perhaps in the near future after my exhaust leaks are fixed and the rain stops. I'm currently too busy. I also do have a readily available 5SFE powered car to compare against... so i'm not just making blank comparisons like most others... ;] -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Feb 26, 2004 - 10:40 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 24, '02 From Wirral, UK Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It's not a slow car by any means.. I got done for 97.9 mph last year.. ( I had been doing way over that)...
my GT is faster thou - but only on 'private roads' |
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Feb 26, 2004 - 11:39 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 4, '04 From Tampa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well...maybe ill have to give the 'ol ST a tune up and possibly replace the clutch. What else would you reccommend to get some lost HP back??
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