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 Feb 26, 2004 - 5:49 PM
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the 7th gen celica gt-s has 180 hp the matrix has different engines in certain levels the XRS matrix and pontiac vibe gt have the same engine as the celica gt-s and they all sit at 180 with but the high redline of the cars is ridiculous they are hard to beat cause they keep goin and never have to shift well hard to beat in an ST
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Feb 26, 2004 - 8:43 PM
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hehehe... nothing against you, but that was one big long run-on sentence. Some school perhaps? ;] Yeah... the power delivery of that engine is wayyy high, so in essence, the more you rev them, the more power you can make. That's the beauty of variable cam timing with LIFT. 2 cam profiles for the price of one. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Feb 26, 2004 - 10:22 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 11, '04 From columbus, ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
sorry this forum is english 101
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Feb 26, 2004 - 10:43 PM
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I know that my ST was slow. I ran a 17.7 at the track, but that was with low compression due to fried piston rings I believe, and with a clutch and synchros that were in poor shape.
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Feb 27, 2004 - 2:13 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 22, '04 From bellingham, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
at the flywheel... also, from a 4a-fe to a 7a-fe is an UPGRADE... they have identical heads, but the 7a-fe is a 1.8 over the 4a-fe's 1.6....... they are BOTH economical designs..... they both have similar blocks.... the 7a-fe has a bit higher torque & HP numbers, but not much... the only thing i can see difference is the newer they got the heavier they got (i'm assuming).... |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 2:56 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 8, '03 From San Jose, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Not sure why people can't agree on this... 7th Gen Celica GT-S = 180 Flywheel HP 7th Gen Celica GT = 140 Flywheel HP It's right on toyota.com posted up there... check it out. - Aaron |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 3:08 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 22, '04 From bellingham, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
& toyota is known for overstating HP.....
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Feb 27, 2004 - 3:54 AM
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get rid of the AC -------------------- |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 11:40 AM
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true, but his 87 st came with a 3SFE which puts out 115 hp and 124 tq 
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Feb 27, 2004 - 12:13 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 4, '04 From Tampa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
My friend has a 98 kia sephia bone stock, and his car is faster than my ST. Accelerates quicker, however top speed is lower.
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Feb 27, 2004 - 12:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
maybe their gearing is lower. because stats-wise the st has more torque and weighs a bit less. or your car could be defunct.
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Feb 27, 2004 - 12:48 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
 To the wheels. These things are anything but overstated... looking at the torque numbers... I'd say those were understated. This is WHP stock. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 3:58 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
wow might that be the dyno chart for a GT-S???? At the wheels!!!????
ahhem, exactly. www.newcelica.org |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 5:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 8, '03 From San Jose, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Thanks Kwanza for the dyno chart.
Toyota is not known for overstating HP that I've ever heard. Name a car that they overstated HP on. - Aaron |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 5:17 PM
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The AE101 Corolla Levin with the 4A-GE is pretty over-rated.
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Feb 27, 2004 - 7:53 PM
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that dyno is impressive.... look at the jump at 6000rpm.... thats huge it jumped almost 30 hp and after 6000 it went up to 170 quick.... wow
but... ahem.... where the hell is the torque....thats pathetic.... 
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Feb 27, 2004 - 9:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 8, '03 From San Jose, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah, haha. 60 ft lbs of torque at 3k. That's tough. - Aaron |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 11:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
That's the trade off. True all-motor engines have very crappy low-end torque. They're not designed to be there. Even with the cam timing and lift and such, it's hard to design the motors to spit out a ton of low-end torque with the very high-end power. Turbos and such can do it with ease, but that also brings in a new list of problems and maintence. Of course, larger displacement would also, but that will defeat the purpose of anwell-tuned import motor. Might as well muscle with the domestics. Honestly speaking though (IMO), the trade off is well worth the high-end power. As for the overstating HP ratings... Toyota actually does it quite a bit with their n/a engines. All of the 4AGE motors were overstated in one way or another. Most of them make only 100 hp or so at the crank, aside from the high-comp redtop which makes roughly 120-130 hp. The 20 valve, as mentioned, only makes 10hp or so more than the redtop. The only cool thing about it, is the sound of individual throttle bodies and the being it has 20 VALVES! The only reason the 20 valve was rated at 160hp was to compete against Civic SiR's and Cerios in Japan. Even the 3SGE's were highly overstated. 2nd gens were rated at 160-170 hp while only making 140-150. The 3rd gens rated at 170-180 only pushed 160-170... and of course, the Beams rated at 200-210 when they're actually only around 180-190. The only major difference betweens the beams and the 3rd gen 3SGE, aside from the pretty valve cover and intake manifold, was the compression was raised slightly, and VVTi was added (along with DLI and other little electrical goodies). Even still, VVTi only imporved throttle response and low-end response. It didn't greatly increase horsepower at all. All of the 3SGE's made around 135-150 ft lbs (seems like a lot... but they made that around 5k rpms) of torque while the 4AGE's made around 100-130. This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Feb 27, 2004 - 11:49 PM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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