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 Feb 25, 2004 - 10:39 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Oct 22, '02 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
I dont care if FWD is better than rear in the winter
It it the crappiest drive system ever and cheapest Handling sucks, acceleration from stop sucks, boo FWD I love my celica But God how i wish it was RWD or AWD..  --------------------  |
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Feb 25, 2004 - 11:00 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
better control around curves.
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Feb 25, 2004 - 11:24 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 12, '03 From Chatham, Ont Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
if you know how to drive rwd is better around corners, you get to much understeer at high speeds with fwd...if Im not mistaken |
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Feb 25, 2004 - 11:33 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 13, '02 From Blairstown, New Jersey Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
I think that Celicas handle pretty well for FWD cars....Auto mags have always said that the celica is one of the best handling/braking FWD platforms out there. This is because they dont constantly remind you that youre driving a FWD car like some others out there, like civics or what-not.
RWD cars that ive driven like the BMW Z4 and Camaro SS felt great in their own way, and so did the AWD Subaru Impreza i drove for a while over the summer last year. But i still say that the Celica, or at least mine anyway, is one of the best feeling cars ive driven. Period. Even after taking my friends relatives Z4 for a spin then climbing into the celica to compare....yeaaa....cant beat getting that level of satisfaction from a car that cost a tenth of what that car cost them.  Although I'd still take one any day....
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Feb 25, 2004 - 11:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
WHen im rounding corners i feel safer in the FWD just because i've had my tail end fly out when i had my old bimmer. -------------------- |
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Feb 25, 2004 - 11:51 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
RWD is funner... but FWD is supost to be better... I agree with the RWD being a little easier to slide out... even my celi has a little back end slide. And just learn how to use FWD to your advantage.. I have "drifted" around turns a little before.
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Feb 25, 2004 - 11:59 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
there are two kinds of people in this world, ones who complain about things, and others who make do with what they have. I honestly see the merits with both RWD and FWD, but I'm not going to put down one or the other. my celica is perfect for college and spirited driving once in a while, but I'll probably buy a RWD car for weekends once I'm out of school. but do I complain that FWD is crappy, no because I know it has its benefits... my 2 'sense'
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Feb 26, 2004 - 12:13 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
RWD is fun though...i probably shouldnt do the things i do with the SUV
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Feb 26, 2004 - 12:25 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
FWD RWD AWD all have their advantages and disadvantages.. just make do with what you have..
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Feb 26, 2004 - 12:55 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
exactly thats why my sister is getting my car and im getting a rwd car, lol. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Feb 26, 2004 - 2:33 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I don't see why people must complain about a drive set-up, when one isn't necessarily better than the other... It all depends on one thing, which makes a car fun and unleashes a car's capability... the person behind the wheel. The only immediate thing I see that hangs out, about why people complain, is that they'll never be like that Trueno on Inidial D (i just saw the series last week and have finally realized why people have been moaning and groaning)...
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Feb 26, 2004 - 9:40 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Dallas, Tx Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
For once, I agree with mac  .
Right again. I own both front wheel and rear wheel drive cars. I've autocrossed both types of cars, I've road raced with both kinds of cars, and I've drag raced with both kinds of cars. They both have advantages and disadvantages. The most obvious is that in todays market, the FWD cars aren't tuned as well when stock as compared to the RWD cars. You guys are comparing a TOYOTA celica to BMW. What do you think will be the end result? You have to cinsider the base price of the vehicles in this comparison. I would invite any of you to come drive my celica, or ride if you don't think you have the skills, and tell me it doesn't handle better than a stock BMW etc. I haven't gotten the fit and finish to that level, and I'm not making the power to weight that I want to be, but I'm soooo close. I have so many parts laying around waiting to go on and no time to do it...its so sad. Believe me, when this car is done, it will be a sweetheart. I would gladly take the pepsi challenge with any BMW. |
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Feb 26, 2004 - 10:18 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
I was just using my old BMW as a comparison between FWD and RWD...it was old (1984), but fun.
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Feb 26, 2004 - 11:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 21, '03 From Houston, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Is it possible to make a celica RWD?
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Feb 26, 2004 - 2:55 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 22, '02 From Detroit Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Sure is, just buy an 85 or before. They were all RWD back then. And plenty of companies make parts for the 22RE. I miss the old(85 GTS), but the FWD doesn't take away from the new, it just makes it different. |
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Feb 26, 2004 - 3:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Lake Orion, MI Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
I think you need to march off to EB Games, pick yourself up a copy of GT3 and spend some quality time learning how to drive the various types of cars, i.e., FR, FF, MR, AWD, ETC..... Each requires a vastly different technique, braking points, etc.. I think you will apreciate what you have after you learn how to take advanatge of the perks afforded to an FWD car. -------------------- -Mike
mjcoury@gmail.com Team Reynolds Style Celica Blog Celica Wiki It will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work. |
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Feb 26, 2004 - 7:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Dallas, Tx Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yeah! What Mike said! Also, take a look at the Speed World Challenge Touring Car results from last year.
2003 Results You'll notice that there were 6 race wins for FWD cars (nissan sentra se-r, mazda protege, and acura rsx) and there were 4 race wins for RWD cars (BMW). The rules are written to make these cars equal, but the similarities in prep level are shocking. Notice also that the FWD cars don't suffer much from the standing starts we do. |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 2:18 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 22, '04 From bellingham, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you can't say that "fwd understeers when going faster".... you can have a bad suspension setup in a rwd car and understeer... hell, the 350z understeers when pushing it.... but don't make it sound like understeer is a bad thing
also, too much oversteer is a bad thing as well.... the key is to find neutral handling with your specific setup.... my FWD car handles QUITE well... and i've proved it on and off the tracks..... |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 7:56 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Lake Orion, MI Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Thats cheating - those teams get the most money thrown at them <wink> -------------------- -Mike
mjcoury@gmail.com Team Reynolds Style Celica Blog Celica Wiki It will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work. |
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Feb 27, 2004 - 9:09 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Dallas, Tx Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yah, you're not too far off on that. Realtime has an insane budget, but the technology in the cars isn't that advanced with the exception of maybe the Nissan. I want to know when they're finally going to stop sandbagging and let us know how fast that car really is. I was able to watch a private test of theirs in the off season and the RSX's will be very competitive again, but that sentra....holy cow....it can really move when they're not trying to sandbag.
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